Obama General Discussion, vol. 3

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Interesting opinion piece on Obama's perceived failures and uncredited successes:

The Untold Story Of The Actual Obama Record - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast

If you'd told me in January 2009 that the banks would pay us back the entire bailout and then some, that the auto companies would actually turn around with government help and be a major engine of recovery, that there would be continuous job growth since 2009, however insufficient, after the worst demand collapse since the 1930s, that bin Laden would be dead, Egypt transitioning to democracy, al Qaeda all but decimated as a global threat, and civil rights for gays expanding more rapidly than at any time in history ... well I would be expecting a triumphant re-election campaign.
 
Let's stop arguing about politics and unite in the joy that is NEW ZEALAND WINNING THE RUGBY WORLD CUP!

Happiness and elation and wine for all!
 
Oh god, I posted that in this thread? I was drunk!

And well, the other team was France, and we already know how Obama's in cahoots with those Frenchies ...
 
If you'd told me in January 2009 that the banks would pay us back the entire bailout and then some, that the auto companies would actually turn around with government help and be a major engine of recovery,

The Untold Story Of The Actual Obama Record - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast


When I read this far, I assumed the poor guy was engaging in bitterly sarcastic irony. From the rest of the quote, he appears to be serious.

I can only assume the drugs he is taking to keep his HIV in check are affecting the balance of his mind. That's the charitable explanation. The uncharitable explanation is that he's knowingly shilling for the Wall Street criminals.
 
Obama is basically just another brand of war-monger, isn't he. Might as well put blackface on Bush and there ya go.


WASHINGTON: The American son of the al-Qaeda militant Anwar al-Awlaki was only 16 when he was killed by a US drone in Yemen weeks after a similar strike killed his father, the youth's family says, raising fresh questions about the Obama administration's use of targeted killings as a counterterrorism tool.

Abdel-Rahman Anwar al-Awlaki was among several people killed in a missile strike near the town of Azzan in southern Yemen last Friday. US officials said the target was the Egyptian-born Ibrahim al-Banna, a senior figure in al-Qaeda's Yemeni affiliate, who also was reported killed.



US officials ''had no idea'' Abdel-Rahman was with Banna, but ''this was a military-aged male travelling with a high-value target'', a senior Obama administration official said.


Awlaki's son, 16, killed by drone


Embarking on an endeavour that involves even the remotest possibility of the massacre of innocents is obviously morally incorrect, and this, in simple terms, is why I am against all wars. This is why it increasingly seems to me that pacificism is ultimately the only morally correct position. There is no such thing as a good war, just shades of evil.
 
Maybe he can run for President one day

TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) — It looks like Joe the Plumber is about to become Joe the Candidate.

The Ohio man who became a household name after questioning Barack Obama about his economic policies during the 2008 presidential campaign will announce Tuesday whether he plans to run for Congress in Ohio.

Samuel "Joe" Wurzelbacher already has filed the paperwork to run for Congress and has set up a campaign website to raise money.

Wurzelbacher's statement of candidacy filed with the Federal Election Commission earlier this month says he plans to run as a Republican in Ohio's 9th U.S. House district.

The seat is now held by Marcy Kaptur, the longest serving Democratic woman in the House. She's expected to face a primary challenge from Rep. Dennis Kucinich after Ohio's redrawn congressional map combined their two districts into one that appears to heavily tilted toward Democrats.

Cuyahoga County Republican Chairman Rob Frost who had announced he would seek the GOP nomination dropped out last week, clearing the way for Wurzelbacher who recently launched the website Samuel Wurzelbacher for Congress 2012.

Wurzelbacher, 37, is now an icon for many anti-establishment conservatives and has built a national following that should help him raise money if he runs.

He's also written a book, worked with a veterans' organization that provides outdoor programs for wounded soldiers and traveled the country speaking at tea party rallies and conservative gatherings.

He's shown a disdain for politicians — both Democrat and Republican.

"Being a politician is as good as being a weatherman," Wurzelbacher said at a tea party rally last year in Nevada. "You don't have to be right, you don't have to do your job well, but you'll still have a job."

Wurzelbacher went from toiling as a plumber in suburban Toledo three years ago to media sensation in a matter of days.

After questioning then-candidate Obama about his economic policies, Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain repeatedly cited "Joe the plumber" in a presidential debate. Wurzelbacher campaigned with McCain and his running mate, Sarah Palin, but he criticized McCain in his book and said he did not want him as the GOP presidential nominee.

Wurzelbacher also became a target for Democrats.

Ohio's former human services director and others were accused of misusing state computers to illegally access his personal information. A judge dismissed a lawsuit Wurzelbacher filed that said his rights were violated.
 
Ironically, if President McCain had presided over the rise of the DOW 63% since the depths of the global financial crisis in early 2009, the killing of Osama bin Laden, removal of Qaddafi from power, exit of U.S. combat troops from Iraq, and the flourishing of people-driven democratic revolution in the Middle East, INDY would see it as a successful term despite the global situation :D

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Ironically, if President McCain had presided over the rise of the DOW 63% since the depths of the global financial crisis in early 2009, the killing of Osama bin Laden, removal of Qaddafi from power, exit of U.S. combat troops from Iraq, and the flourishing of people-driven democratic revolution in the Middle East, INDY would see it as a successful term despite the global situation :D

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Ironically... I wouldn't say any of that. You're putting words in my mouth.

By any measure this recovery blows compared to the Reagan recovery. I had my pick of jobs when I graduated in 1984. That's not the case for college seniors in my major today.

And I'd say France, Russia, Cuba and countless other bloody coups d"etat were "people-driven" democratic revolutions too. What the world desperately needs are a few "liberty-driven" democratic revolutions. Let's check back on Egypt, Libya and Iraq in a few years and see if they have pro-Western, pro-human rights governments.
 
Wall Street Lobbyist | Obama Re-Election Campaign Adviser | The Daily Caller
Obama defies base, hires Wall Street lobbyist for re-election campaign

President Barack Obama’s new senior campaign adviser is a longtime Wall Street lobbyist, and has the potential to damage the president’s aspirations to appeal to the protesters currently “occupying” New York City’s Zuccotti Park.

Obama’s new adviser, Broderick Johnson, has an extensive history of lobbying for big banks and corporations, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. In 2007, he lobbied for JP Morgan Chase and in 2008 Johnson lobbied for Bank of America and Fannie Mae.

Perhaps most troubling to those who normally would consider themselves Obama’s 2012 base, though, is how Johnson has lobbied on behalf of the Keystone XL pipeline. The Huffington Post previously reported that Johnson is a “former Bryan Cave LLP lobbyist registered on the Keystone XL account” and that Bryan Cave LLP earned approximately $1.08 million lobbying for TransCanada between 2009 and 2011.

The Obama re-election campaign appears to have tried to hide or downplay Johnson’s lobbying history, as the original campaign press release announcing his hire completely ignored it. Democratic National Committee spokesman Brad Woodhouse hasn’t returned TheDC’s request for comment on the issue, either.


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No surprise, to be honest.

I do not think any sane, slightly-informed voter thinks of him as anything but establishment this time out.
 
One week the right paints him an extreme lefty socialist black liberationist, and then the next week they try and paint him an elitist wall street type. One week he's weak on terrorism, the next he's too interventionists... But somehow he always hates capitalism and christianity.
 
No surprise, to be honest.

I do not think any sane, slightly-informed voter thinks of him as anything but establishment this time out.

I've made me peace with that to get rid of DADT, etc.

Yesterday was the 9th anniversary of Sen. Paul Wellstone's death. Since he or Kucinich could never be elected president, I'll take a (too) pragmatic Obama.
 
One week the right paints him an extreme lefty socialist black liberationist, and then the next week they try and paint him an elitist wall street type. One week he's weak on terrorism, the next he's too interventionists... But somehow he always hates capitalism and christianity.

Normal people should get whiplash from that, but the knuckle-draggers are too busy staring at the sun with their mouths open to notice doublespeak.
 
Sarkozy: Netanyahu's a liar. Obama: I have to deal with him every day | News

Sarkozy: Netanyahu's a liar. Obama: I have to deal with him every day

Nicolas Sarkozy was plunged into a diplomatic storm today after describing the prime minister of Israel as a liar.

The remark about Benjamin Netanyahu was made privately to President Obama at the G20 summit but was picked up by a radio microphone. "I can't bear to see him any more, he's a liar," Mr Sarkozy said in French.

Mr Obama's reply was almost as embarrassing. "You may be sick of him, but me, I have to deal with him every day."

The exchange was accidentally overheard by journalists listening on headphones who agreed to a demand from the French president's office to keep the remarks private.

However, hints of the conversation gradually leaked out and they were finally published in full this morning in Jerusalem papers.

Nice.
 
The Israeli press had a field day with the "coincidence" that Kadima (which got the most votes in the last elections) had run with the slogan "Bibi? I don't believe him."

I lol'd; wouldn't have if either of them had intended to speak publically, and of course this'll be welcome ammo for their adversaries, but, yeah. Add this to the list of great embarrassing hot mic moments in political history.
 
Well, according to them, when you tax something you get more of it. So they must want more Christmas trees and therefore more Christians. Separation of church and state! Separation of church and state! :shame:

Seriously, this is an idiotic move. They're targeting one religion for a tax. Why not tax menorahs? Or prayer rugs?
 
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Seriously, this is an idiotic move. They're targeting one religion for a tax. Why not tax menorahs? Or prayer rugs?

Are you serious? If they were taxing ALL Christmas trees you would have a point. They are taxing LIVE trees. It's a sustainability issue not a religious one.
 
^ I don't think it has anything to do with sustainability; from what I've read it's just to raise promotional funds for the live tree industry so that they can (so they hope) regain some of the sales lost to artificial trees. Does seem counterintuitive given that the tax, which is on sellers, will almost certainly result in increased costs to consumers, thus giving them one more reason to choose artificial trees (that said, many US agricultural products are subject to such "marketing taxes" and have been for ages). But, yeah, in no way, shape or form is this a "religion tax."
 
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