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Old 10-02-2009, 11:58 AM   #856
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and this is a great point:

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In the official question-and-answer session following the Chicago presentation, Syed Shahid Ali, an I.O.C. member from Pakistan, asked the toughest question. He wondered how smooth it would be for foreigners to enter the United States for the Games because doing so can sometimes, he said, be “a rather harrowing experience.”
that's some Patriot Act for 'ya.
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It's bittersweet. The Olympics in Chicago would have been nice in terms of "entertainment." I enjoy the Olympics and would have loved the opportunity to spend time in Chicago for the games. With that said, most Olympics tend not to be an economic boom for host cities. It would have indebted the city and probably caused another rise in taxes for them. Add the fact that Chicago has a crooked city government with "pay to play," and it may have been a good thing for Chicago not to get the games. I think it is embarrassing for Obama that they couldn't even get out of the first round of voting, but it's not a big deal to his standing in the long run outside of the righties crowing about it.
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O'Hare is a terrible airport, it's a legitimate question. Nothing to do with the Patriot Act, right?
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With that said, most Olympics tend not to be an economic boom for host cities. It would have indebted the city and probably caused another rise in taxes for them.
What are you basing this on?
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O'Hare is a terrible airport, it's a legitimate question. Nothing to do with the Patriot Act, right?
Yeah, I doubt it was the airport they were worried about...
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that's some Patriot Act for 'ya.
Oh, but for every European or other tourist who doesn't enter on the visa it would've been very smooth. Just pay your ten bucks entrance fee in advance, while registering online before going on your flight, so that Florida can plaster our streets promoting the Everglades in return, and you're in. Oh, the extra income that would've generated.
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What are you basing this on?
What analyses have you to provide to prove the opposite? Long-term benefits I mean.
I don't have the right answer at hand, but I wouldn't flat out say it's one way or the other just taking into account the ridiculous sums that are put into it from the very beginning. This presentation is likely to have cost a couple billion dollars already.
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What analyses have you to provide to prove the opposite? Long-term benefits I mean.
I don't have the right answer at hand, but I wouldn't flat out say it's one way or the other just taking into account the ridiculous sums that are put into it from the very beginning. This presentation is likely to have cost a couple billion dollars already.
There was a report that came out at the beggining of the year when we knew Chicago was going to bid where the IOC claimed that the host city would rake in billions. This report refuted the claim that the IOC had made, did a break down and showed that it was a fraction of their predictions, but still WELL on the positive side(and the report noted that it did not factor in future tourism based on the world getting to see the city on their TVs). I've never in my life seen a report that showed a city going in any kind of longterm debt over the olympics, what would be the point of hosting it?

I mean basic economics says, influx of tourism and people = more money. If you design any new facilities for multi-purpose use, they pay themselves off.
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O'Hare is a terrible airport, it's a legitimate question. Nothing to do with the Patriot Act, right?


agreed, O'Hare is terrible.

but it's more to do with the difficulty of non-white foreigners entering the US from Muslim different countries, the no-fly lists, etc.
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but it's more to do with the difficulty of non-white foreigners entering the US from Muslim different countries, the no-fly lists, etc.
I'm sure Olympic delegations would get nothing less than the red carpet treatment, that is unless synchronized detonation were to become an Olympic sport.
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I'm sure Olympic delegations would get nothing less than the red carpet treatment,
Uh yeah, I'm sure they'll forgoe any background checks or watch list because they are part of the olympics.

Remember Cat Stevens?
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There was a report that came out at the beggining of the year when we knew Chicago was going to bid where the IOC claimed that the host city would rake in billions. This report refuted the claim that the IOC had made, did a break down and showed that it was a fraction of their predictions, but still WELL on the positive side(and the report noted that it did not factor in future tourism based on the world getting to see the city on their TVs). I've never in my life seen a report that showed a city going in any kind of longterm debt over the olympics, what would be the point of hosting it?

I mean basic economics says, influx of tourism and people = more money. If you design any new facilities for multi-purpose use, they pay themselves off.
Basic economics, that reminds of the guy who asked the kebab diner owner to be open one more hour just for him since, you know, income. Well, such a basic understanding of economics as you described is not entirely innocent in leading to the situation we are now facing.
Estimating the Cost and Benefit of Hosting Olympic Games: What Can Beijing Expect from Its 2008 Games? | Industrial Geographer, The | Find Articles at BNET This article, by a Professor of Economics from Indiana State, and apparently somene who is specialised in sports economics, rather debunks such findings. How many more people are now coming to Atlanta? And considering that Chicago already is one of the most prominent and most visited cities in the US, how great would the advertising effect of the Olympic Games likely be?
It's not entirely foreign that cities, or entire countries even, are paying huge sums of money for only a fraction in return, hoping that the building up etc. would pay itself off.
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it will be awfully good for Rio, though.
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I'm sure Olympic delegations would get nothing less than the red carpet treatment, that is unless synchronized detonation were to become an Olympic sport.
So we make any tourist from those countries part of the delegation?
Having gone through the visa process, I can understand that question from a Pakistani very well.
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I've never in my life seen a report that showed a city going in any kind of longterm debt over the olympics, what would be the point of hosting it?
It took Montreal 30 years to pay off its debt.
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