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Old 09-13-2009, 11:20 AM   #616
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i don't ever want to go to the states again.

it just seems like one fucked up country... i don't think you'd see this sort of thing anywhere else.


if it's any consolation, these people are as strange to me as they are to you.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:23 AM   #617
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Millions are marching on DC protesting this administration.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...nstration.html

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"Outside IT'S AMERICA
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simply embarrassing.

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why is spending an issue now, exactly?

are these people completely unaware of the massive defecits their warlord george bush gave them 8 years prior?

spending billions upon billions of on a war in iraq that was not needed, nor legal didn't upset these people, but healthcare for all citizens of their country does?

i feel sorry for the normal citizens of this country... i really do.

i suppose one has to write them off once and for all, and just get on with things. if i were american, i suppose that's what i'd do. there's no sense involved in some of these peopl is there?
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also, there weren't no 2 million people.

ten thousand, maybe. which is impressive.

so, diamond, where are all the signs angry with Bush and Cheney for all the massive entitlement spending and defense spending over the past 8 years? we've seen that, by all measures, the economic condition of the country worsened due to that administration's policies. so i would expect that if these individuals are truly concerned with the direction of the country and have a sober take on the role of government then they should certainly be very, very angry with the previous president who created these enormous deficits by fabricating wars.

unfortunately, i've had to work all weekend, otherwise i would have gone down to the Capitol to watch the lunacy on display. i did this with anti-war rallies. i did march, in seriousness, and most people there were serious about being against the war. there was a looney fringe, of course, and they were entertaining, but hardly representative.

it would be interesting to see just what the mainstream at these rallies looks like.
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also, there weren't no 2 million people.

ten thousand, maybe. which is impressive.
abc news is reporting 60-70,000. i think those are dcfd numbers



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And all of their parents are on Medicare.
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Millions are marching on DC protesting this administration.

Up to two million march to US Capitol to protest against Obama's spending in 'tea-party' demonstration | Mail Online

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Are you not embarassed?

"Millions" who don't know the true definition of communism.

"Millions" who don't understand how are current healthcare works.

"Millions" who just all of a sudden get concerned about spending...

"Millions" who are just flat out uninformed...

I'm embarassed.
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americaaaaa!

http://www.breitbart.tv/go-home-dc-c...g-live-report/
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Wow, a WWHD sign... these people are brilliant.

I don't get it, why would you want to revel in ignorance? It's not something to celebrate.

You've shown your true colors guys. Thanks.
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The tea party folks are the brightest crayons in the box, are they?
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we've seen that, by all measures, the economic condition of the country worsened due to that administration's policies. so i would expect that if these individuals are truly concerned with the direction of the country and have a sober take on the role of government then they should certainly be very, very angry with the previous president who created these enormous deficits by fabricating wars.
1. Debt as a percentage of GDP on average was lower during the Bush years than the Clinton years. The poverty rate on average was lower during the Bush years than the Clinton years. The unemployment rate and inflation rate were both very similar. The only real lead Clinton years have on Bush years is in the average GDP growth rate of 5.8% to Bush's 4.8%.

2. Spending on national Defense, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, combined per year, is lower as a percentage of GDP than Defense spending during the peacetime of the Reagan Years. Barack Obama's current Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, has brought up this point several times this year in response to concerns about the size of the defense budget.

3. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not fabricated and both resulted from serious ongoing security problems in both countries. But that may be hard for some to realize if they remain uninformed about what was happening in these area's prior to Bush coming into office.
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Elections have consequences.

Elections are the only poll that matters.

Deal with it.

(Is that not what all the anti-war libruls were told for 8 years?)

Strongbow said this for years on here but is now claiming that what he was really saying was that for national security and defense purposes only, elections matter and polls don't. For non-national security purposes, apparently polls do matter after all. Or some spurious post-hoc justification like that, I don't really understand it.
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The only real lead Clinton years have on Bush years is in the average GDP growth rate of 5.8% to Bush's 4.8%.
I think that when discussing economics, you make far too much of blunt instruments like GDP comparisons, but, in any case, these figures imply that the increase in GDP experienced in the Clinton years was fully 25% higher than that experienced in the Bush years.
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spending billions upon billions of on a war in iraq that was not needed, nor legal didn't upset these people, but healthcare for all citizens of their country does?
Well many of them already recognize and understand the necessity of removing Saddam from power and are being joined by a growing number of people who feel the same way.

If you want to argue that the world would be safer and more secure with Saddam in power, go ahead. But its a rather difficult arguement to make, and not one to many are making anymore.

As for the legality of the war, it was authorized by multiple UN resolutions, and then the occupation that resulted from the war was approved EVERY YEAR by the United Nations. Illegal? I don't think so.

Not a single country even tried to get a resolution passed calling for the withdrawal of coaltion forces when the invasion began, in total contrast to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, or the Russian invasion of Georgia.
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