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Old 09-10-2009, 11:31 PM   #586
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Obama and Acorn are two peas in a pod.


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sleight of hand arguments aren't worth pursuing.
You said it...
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:34 PM   #587
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I saw that whole video. I agree that what is on it is shocking. Not so much the assistance in trying to pull a tax rort on a shady ‘business’ (clearly wrong, but clearly not a headline story - even if its coming from Acorn), but when it got to the point where they’re clearly talking about underage prostitution, then yeah, their casual acceptance and willing assistance of that is completely, totally, utterly fucked up and those two women deserve the storm that is surely coming their way.

And yes, whatever system created that situation deserves investigation, but this out-of-nowhere amateur sting certainly also needs to be put through the wringer thoroughly. Who they are, how and why they did it, and what it took for them to get that reaction (as BVS suggested, it paints a very different picture if even simply, for example, this was the 10th Acorn office they visited, having gotten their asses rightfully kicked out of a previous nine – as far as I can see, nothing about their story is known yet either).

However, I really, honestly can’t see how it’s landing a punch on Obama. It’s not even… I mean, Michael Moore and others were howled or laughed out of the room for making wild looong stretch connections to the Bush Admin that didn’t require even 1% of the distance something like this needs to cover before it reaches Obama. Don’t get too excited. If your outrage is taxpayer funded rorts to potential executive cronies doing dodgy business, then remember that during all those years the left never managed to land a punch on Cheney with those far, far, far closer (and far, far, far more expensive) charges against him. If your outrage is over this being evidence that the socialist, Marxist is clearly complicit in the running of a child sex ring via his secret SS gay black immigrant army, then go Palin 2012! Good for you!
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However, I really, honestly can’t see how it’s landing a punch on Obama.


yes, but they're all black.
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yes, but they're all black.
No way. Couldn't be that.

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The Urban poor are clear and present dangers to the Republic. They fill up the jails, suck untold billions from the public coffiers and are at their foundation are evil and corrupt. We need to take the country back and stop the flow of money and sympathy to these bloodsuckers.
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the furor over "illegal immigrants" amounts to about as much as the furor over "tort reform" -- sure, it would be nice to fix these things, and it might be one piece of a very big puzzle, but it's a distraction from the actual, tough issues and amounts to little more than scapegoating.
The "furor" over illegal immigrants illustrates the phony numbers being used by proponents of "Obamacare" to sell the plan. "45 million uninsured Americans" just became a manta and a talking point which few in the media showed any willingness to investigate for accuracy.

Is it also a "distraction" to point out that this plan will indeed add to the deficit (CBO report) or what a howler it is for the president to claim he will pay for this NEW government healthcare plan by cutting "waste, fraud and abuse" in our OLD government heathcare plans.
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The "furor" over illegal immigrants illustrates the phony numbers being used by proponents of "Obamacare" to sell the plan. "45 million uninsured Americans" just became a manta and a talking point which few in the media showed any willingness to investigate for accuracy.

Is it also a "distraction" to point out that this plan will indeed add to the deficit (CBO report) or what a howler it is for the president to claim he will pay for this NEW government healthcare plan by cutting "waste, fraud and abuse" in our OLD government heathcare plans.


the first one, yes, is a distraction.

the second one is a legit question, and where the hard work begins.
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. If there are other cases, I want proof.

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Here's your proof.:

Big Government

The same thing happened in a Washington Acorn office.

The actors ( pimp and prostitute) were doing research on Acorn, and here's what they uncovered.

The Baltimore adventure with ACORN started off as a silly idea, both absurd and incredible by all accounts. But it stuck, and quickly escalated into a full blown operation with scripts, method acting, undercover gear, scandalous outfits, fast minds, good hearts, plenty of humor and healthy homemade blueberry muffins.
When I pitched the “prostitute goes into ACORN seeking housing” idea to James O’Keefe at the beginning of the summer, I had absolutely no idea how he would respond. He came back with, “Would you be willing to portray the prostitute? And if so, when can you do this?”

Now before you get all upset and attack the messengers and say they framed the Acorn employees and are racists as Irvine inferred, I would challenged you to look at the big picture of whats really going on at Acorn.

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So the group has been around since 1970.

But today's scandals are a reflection upon Obama?

Ok with that logic, who are the Republican sex scandals a reflection upon?

I expect a timely answer...
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poor guy.
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So the group has been around since 1970.

But today's scandals are a reflection upon Obama?

Ok with that logic, who are the Republican sex scandals a reflection upon?

I expect a timely answer...
You probably won't get one. I'm so sick of people equating Obama and Acorn. they aren't the SAME THING PEOPLE. Yes, there is a connection, but they aren't linked at the hip. If you have a legitimate beef with the man and his policies, fine. It just makes the far right look pitiful when they really stretch it to make these connections.
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It just makes the far right look pitiful when they really stretch it to make these connections.


which is why the White House is being smart letting this crowd and the "birthers" look like the paranoid nativists they are.
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Why, because I have logic on my side? What do you have?

Did you ever have "connect the dots" workbooks when you were a child?
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Census Bureau Severs Ties With ACORN - Political News - FOXNews.com
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Get this.

The Arlington Independent School District in Texas didn't allow President Obama's speech to students last week to be aired in its schools, yet on September 21, 28 of its fifth grade classes will be bussed on a field trip to hear former President George W. Bush speak at Cowboys Stadium. Amazing.

Texas school district refused to show Obama's speech, but will bus students to hear Bush
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You probably won't get one. I'm so sick of people equating Obama and Acorn. they aren't the SAME THING PEOPLE. Yes, there is a connection, but they aren't linked at the hip.
Do a quick Youtube search of "obama acorn"
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