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Old 09-08-2009, 08:29 AM   #496
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She said it is not fair to label Obama a socialist, as many of his conservative critics do.
She's been socially indoctrinated. I couldn't help but notice that her remarks were made in Paris. No wonder.
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This must have been an accident, I thought the party as a whole decided not to allow any reasonable or informed members speak.

Oh well, I'm sure she'll be labelled a RINO by the end of the day.
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Almost as embarrassing as you, a teacher, blindly accepting that it was completely apolitical.

I don't even know what this means.
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This must have been an accident, I thought the party as a whole decided not to allow any reasonable or informed members speak.

It's pretty sad that the only reasonable voice in the Republican Party is a former First Lady. No senators? No representatives? Mayors? Governors?
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Almost as embarrassing as you, a teacher, blindly accepting that it was completely apolitical.


it was about as political as Reagan and Bush 1.

for the record, as i've said, i think this thing is kind of lame, and i think the "lesson plan" was a bit of an overreach, and likely an organizational hiccup/brain fart.

but you people still look like idiots, no matter how you try to spin it.
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i think the "lesson plan" was a bit of an overreach, and likely an organizational hiccup/brain fart.
Like I said, every goddamn thing nowadays has a suggested lesson plan, frequently as lame and out-of-touch as the one described here. It's sort of a de rigueur thing.
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Like I said, every goddamn thing nowadays has a suggested lesson plan, frequently as lame and out-of-touch as the one described here. It's sort of a de rigueur thing.


yeah, i'm less defending Obama here and more pointing out the lunacy of the uproar. i do think the speech itself, as deep has pointed out, is filled with a bit too much self-regard for my tastes.

but the fact does remain that he's a figure of enormous importance for certain segments of the American population. and it isn't even political. it's the fact that he's a black man who is now the most powerful person in the world. it's huge.
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yeah, i'm less defending Obama here and more pointing out the lunacy of the uproar. i do think the speech itself, as deep has pointed out, is filled with a bit too much self-regard for my tastes.

but the fact does remain that he's a figure of enormous importance for certain segments of the American population. and it isn't even political. it's the fact that he's a black man who is now the most powerful person in the world. it's huge.
Buy you know, for a kid with the challenges described in the speech, especially a black kid, it may be a life-changing thing.
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Buy you know, for a kid with the challenges described in the speech, especially a black kid, it may be a life-changing thing.


for once, martha, will you stop being selfish and please think of the white children?

thank you.

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Hey. At least I'm thinking of the children.
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She's been socially indoctrinated. I couldn't help but notice that her remarks were made in Paris. No wonder.
are we forgetting Laura was a teacher!!!!!

(she secretly swore the Socialist Oath many years ago)
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you know Obama used a teleprompter too


without that he would have reverted to something like

'Lis'n up - pimps and hos,
I got da chronic ...."
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are we forgetting Laura was a teacher!!!!!

(she secretly swore the Socialist Oath many years ago)

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When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
By: BYRON YORK
Chief Political Correspondent
09/08/09 7:11 AM EDT

George H. Bush, 41st President of the United States (Photo by Logan Mock-Bunting/Getty Images)
The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.
Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.
With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.
oh ye hypocrites
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Oh ye hypocrites indeed.

So I assume that you completely disagree with the idea of President George H.W. Bush or any president addressing the nation's schoolchildren with "entirely unremarkable" speeches, then? It's a bad idea for presidents to urge schoolchildren to take their education seriously, huh?
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