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Old 09-04-2009, 08:44 AM   #406
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i think it's a dumb idea, but what's even dumber are the people who are freaking out.
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Old 09-04-2009, 02:38 PM   #407
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what really has me surprised is how suddenly viciously partisan the Right has become. i understand that we're in tough times, there's war and recession, debt, etc. (most of which are due to Bush 2). but i genuinely thought, and advocated as one of the reasons why i preferred Obama over HRC, was that i thought he'd be able to get beyond such insane and inane "socialist! death panels!" political debate.

i really thought that the Right had such a wealth of hate for the Clintons -- and Hillary, in particular -- that Obama would diffuse most of that. i always saw this hate as an extension of the social divides of the 1960s, mostly due to disagreement over the tragedy in Vietnam.

but now ... i'm not sure what to say. sure, racism is a part of it, but this goes much, much deeper. i do think the numbers are exaggerated. we have a bunch of people making a great big racket, and there are some who may have more informed concerns and aren't screaming about death panels and such at these town hall meetings. but it's the level of vitriol that's startling to me. it surpasses the anger over the invasion of Iraq, and it would seem to me that going to war would invoke much more passion than simply disagreement over health care policy.

seriously. what the fuck is up on the Right? freaking President Bush 1 addressed schools in 1991 and i don't remember anyone's heads exploding. Bush 1 is at least as moderately conservative as Obama is moderately liberal.

i'm just aghast at tantrums.
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Old 09-04-2009, 03:33 PM   #408
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President Obama is slated to give a speech to America’s school children next Tuesday on the subject of taking personal responsibility for their success in school.

Shame on you, Obama. Shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame!
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And I was sitting here thinking he wanted to socialise success at school as well. Just as the Nazicommunists under Stalitler did.
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but Bush 1 did this in 1991.

wtf is the difference between then and now?

it also could well be that the 24/7 news media, always aching for sensation, has blown all of this way, way, way out of proportion in the traditionally slow, slow, slow news month of August.
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Yes, the number of 24/7 news stations, especially those with a clear political agenda (in both directions) is probably one of the greatest differences. And the organisational power of the internet another.
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I think he should read them "My Pet Goat" instead.
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i'll have to hear what was said before i jump to conclusions, but my initial reaction is it sounds a little like brainwashing. you know, more government interference in our lives, telling the kids what they should be going, etc etc.

but thats just my initial reaction, ill have to actually see the speech before i make any snap judgement
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PRESIDENT REAGAN: Well, thank you very much. Please, be seated. You know, this is a real treat for me, having you here, and to have in a little while the chance to answer some of your questions. Let me also offer a special hello to those of you who are watching on C-Span, or the Instructional Television Network. Thank you for inviting us into your home or your school today ...

And that is a vision that goes beyond economics and politics, it's also a moral vision, grounded in the reverence and faith of those who believe that with God's help, they could create a free and democratic nation ...

Because you see, the taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper and to earn more and so forth because they have to give so much to the government ...

There was talk about having a gun ban in California. It didn't go through. But I got a letter from a man in San Quentin Prison. And from the prison he wrote me the letter to tell me he was in there for burglary, he was a burglar. And he said, "I just want you to know that if that law goes through, here in San Quentin there will be celebrating throughout the day and night by all the burglars who are in prison."
Just so that we're not being hypocritical...
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but now ... i'm not sure what to say. sure, racism is a part of it, but this goes much, much deeper.
I do think there is a natural tendency when political power (/ the nation's political leader) shifts from one party to another, the party losing power doesn't want to admit it could be better now than (or even as good as) it was before

as progress is the only possible route after Bush 2 this does mean that the conservatives have to treat sanity in arguments re. Obama as merely optional
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Why is this even an issue?

15-20 minutes. The kids thinking , God, this is lame. Nobody's indoctrinated, nobody's inspired. Just another assembly with an adult, albeit the president, going blah, blah, blah.
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What's up with this Van Jones 'czar,' anyway?
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I received a phone call from my son's middle school that they WILL NOT be showing President Obama's speech. If a teacher chooses to incorporate it into their learning plan, they will be sending a note home to be signed, giving permission for the student to view the speech.

This is the same school district that put stickers on all the biology textbooks telling us that evolution was only a theory.
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What's up with this Van Jones 'czar,' anyway?
Nothing. Glenn Beck's only going after him because he's black. Isn't it obvious?
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Nothing. Glenn Beck's only going after him because he's black. Isn't it obvious?


Glenn Beck, yes.

others, maybe not.
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Just so that we're not being hypocritical...
if you think i say that cause it's Obama, you're wrong. i dont care for any president doing this sort of thing. stick to running the country and shut the fuck up.

"yes kids, stay in school and work real hard so you can get a good paying job one day so we can collect more taxes."
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