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Old 08-10-2009, 01:53 PM   #16
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If Mitt Romney had said "If you vote Democrat, you support Al-Qaeda" then yes, I'd have a problem with that.
No he didn't say that. But what in essence he was saying is that "if you vote Democrat, we'll end up surrendering to terrorists."
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Can you give me some sources? Because I don't recall any instances of mere opposition to the PATRIOT Act being deemed "un-American." And with regards to the Romney comment, I believe you're twisting his words around. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the quote you're referring to is:

""If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror,"

...which I find nothing offensive about. Nowhere in there does he do anything close to implying that a vote for Democrats means the support of Al-Qaeda. What he does do is imply that a Democratic administration would fight a weaker war on terror. And now that terms like "terror," "global war" and "jihad" have been deemed unnecessary, it's hard to argue that he's incorrect.

Have you not heard Pelosi's "swastika" comment? I've seen ONE poster with a swastika on it, and she's attempting to paint the whole crowd with that brush. And yet I didn't hear a peep from her when there were protests in her own district consisting of posters with Hitler imagery and swastikas with President Bush. She can't have it both ways. And what does she mean by "symbols like that," anyway? She's delusional, methinks.

Tell me- don't you think the comparisons to Nazis, brownshirts, political terrorists and Timothy McVeigh are completely uncalled for? Especially when many of them are coming from representatives of the United States?

A. Nancy Pelosi is not a member of the Obama administration, so when you said that "members of the administration" were making Nazi or Timothy McVeigh comparions, that's simply untrue. Nancy Pelosi was asked if she thought their was a grass roots opposition to health care in terms of the protesters showing up at the town halls and meetings. She responded by saying ""I think they are Astroturf … you be the judge," Pelosi answered. "They're carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care." As you said, we've seen (so far) one example of a poster that represents what Pelosi was speaking about. In that case, that statement is simply not a lie. It's hyperbolic if you read into it too much because it would be easy to say that she was saying that every protester that shows up is crying "Nazi!" or carrying "Swastika" signs, but you'd have to be pretty desperate to think that's what she was actually saying. She was in essence stating a fact, at least one person did carry a sign with a swastika to a health care meeting. As for "symbols like that", it's impossible to say for sure what she may have been referring to, my guess would be she was just referring to general languge or images on signs that she felt was derogatory. Who knows? As for Mitt, you'd have to be pretty blind to not see that his statement "...make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror,", was basically saying that a Democratic presidency would in some way, aid terrorism. Look at the quote. He's saying that if he continued to fight for the nomination, he'd take away some of McCain's valuable resources that he could be using to fight the Democratic candidate meaning, the Democratic candidate might end up with more resources and an easier shot at winning the presidency, which would be part of "surrender to terror" There's no context to take that out of. He literally says that an Obama or Clinton presidency would lead to a surrender to terror. There's no other argument or way of looking at that differently. Only an apologist could allow themselves to be deluded into thinking anything else. As for the Bush administration, I wasn't referring to a particular quote when I used the word "unAmerican" just the general attitude and implications in their attitudes towards dissent, i.e. John Ashcroft saying that those who objected to or even had doubts/questions about The Patriot Act were aiding terrorists and endangering U.S. citizens. Pelosi probably shouldn't have chosen the words she chose, but she's not doing anything your side hasn't been doing on a much grander scale for the past 40 years.


ETA: For good measure, as to why Nancy never said anything about protesters in her district comparing Bush to Hitler and/or the Nazis, it's probably because she didn't know or wasn't asked. She probably never would made the comment she did about the health care protesters without being asked either.
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Not really. I'd actually think it was pretty funny.
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"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
You don't find this funny? Come on, I thought you were a funny guy! Obama aids terrorists! Obama is the worst president of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roflcopter:

Wait, Hitler's not funny anymore? When did this happen?
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Wait, Hitler's not funny anymore? When did this happen?
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How Pelosi and Hoyer and the like can continue to call these protesters un-American is just baffling. They write today "Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American." I'm glad they feel that way. I'm going to assume that they've come to the defense of every conservative speaker that has ever been disrupted on a college campus (Ann Coulter, the Minutemen, I could go on).
You have a very short memory don't you?

And honestly don't you think you could have come up with better examples than Ann and an illegal watchdog group?

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Have you not heard Pelosi's "swastika" comment? I've seen ONE poster with a swastika on it, and she's attempting to paint the whole crowd with that brush. And yet I didn't hear a peep from her when there were protests in her own district consisting of posters with Hitler imagery and swastikas with President Bush. She can't have it both ways. And what does she mean by "symbols like that," anyway? She's delusional, methinks.
First of all you didn't even understand the swastika comment, secondly, why is it that you the Bush administration, Rush, and all your other friends get to have it both ways but she doesn't?
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Town hall meetings should be civil. People have legitamate questions and this is far too much of a serious issue for the protesters to be acting like babies throwing a tantrum when there is intelligent discussion to be had.

and then those people crying saying "I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!"

What the fuck? What has honestly changed so drastically in their life that they feel their country has been taken from them Perhaps the conservatives on the forum can enlighten me on this.
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What the fuck? What has honestly changed so drastically in their life that they feel their country has been taken from them Perhaps the conservatives on the forum can enlighten me on this.
This happened with the Dems during Bush too. All the whining about civil liberties being stripped away when really only a minute percentage of Americans felt these effects, and most of those being small effects to begin with. People just love to whine as often as possible about every little thing. Half the tea-baggers were just whining about Obama being elected, and not so much about taxes. And half of those people were whining about a black man being in the White House. And half of those people think the Kenyan government put him in power to usurp us all. He's gonna make all the whiteys into slaves.

...in which case I'm going to make 2861U2 one of MY slaves.
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Town hall meetings should be civil. People have legitamate questions and this is far too much of a serious issue for the protesters to be acting like babies throwing a tantrum when there is intelligent discussion to be had.

and then those people crying saying "I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!"

What the fuck? What has honestly changed so drastically in their life that they feel their country has been taken from them Perhaps the conservatives on the forum can enlighten me on this.
I think you know the answer to that question I do.

But ya, I would be interested to hear the explanations from the conservatives here.
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People just love to whine as often as possible about every little thing.
I have NO idea what you're talking about.

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i just wish we could all disagree with more civility, since Obama has been nothing but civil (cool as a cucumber) since he began.
GWB wasn't civil? Heck, I don't even remember him calling any cops "stupid."
In fact, one of causative factors of Bush Derangement Syndrome was the man's utter lack of being fazed by, stooping down to the level of, or taking the bait of the Michael Moores, Cindy Sheehans, Code Pinks, MSNBC or other mouthpieces of the Unhinged-Left.
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and then those people crying saying "I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!"

What the fuck? What has honestly changed so drastically in their life that they feel their country has been taken from them Perhaps the conservatives on the forum can enlighten me on this.


But progressives can have an organization called Take Back America and during the campaign Senator Obama can tell them, "It's going to be because of you that we take our country back" right?

Both sides do it. Consider yourself enlightened.
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GWB wasn't civil? Heck, I don't even remember him calling any cops "stupid."


just where were you from 2001-2009?
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