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Old 08-12-2009, 03:10 PM   #256
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You seem to be overlooking the fact that we were all told, including Bill Clinton and Mickey Mouse, that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was ready to annihilate the western world. They swore to this fact up and down, claiming that they had visual proof and that they knew in which area these weapons of mass destruction were being held.

The truth, and it still is the truth 6 years later, is that these weapons never existed. That part, that monumental part, the reason why we were told we needed to send over our troops was the biggest lie of this century. We had no reason to go into Iraq. Bush's administration promised to hunt down those responsible for 9/11. Where is he? Where is Osama bin Laden? Saddam Hussein was not responsible for 9/11. I'm sure he wasn't crushed about it.
He was an asshole. But the world is filled with assholes.

Say what you will about GDP and deficits and profits, but this is the defining part of Bush's legacy. No one remembers Lincoln for... I don't know, animal welfare.
If you look at UN Security Council Resolution 1441, the primary document that authorized the invasion of Iraq, it states that Saddam was not in compliance with his obligations to the international community in verifiably disarming of all Weapons Of Mass Destruction. It also said recalling resolution 678, that members states were authorized use all means necessary to enforce the resolutions.

There is not a single official who stated that the reason the coalition went into Iraq was because "Saddam was ready to annihilate the western world". But please, if those exact words exist somewhere, and were spoken by Bush or his cabinet, dig them up.

The intelligence strongly indicated that Saddam still had banned weapons, and was even manufacturing new ones. That is what the intelligence community said, not just the Bush administration.

But the ultimate issue is Saddam's failure to comply with the resolutions, and verifiably disarm of all WMD. Saddam NEVER verifiably disarmed of all WMD. To this day, UN inspectors know of thousands of WMD stocks that are unaccounted for.

In addition, WMD related productions facilities were found, that were in violation of UN Security Council resolutions after Saddam was removed!

No one will ever know for sure what Saddam did or did not have in the winter of 2003 in terms of actual WMD weapons since such weapons can easily be dismantled and hidden. The volume that several thousands of stocks of WMD would occupy is no bigger than a two car garage. But the main point again is Saddam's compliance and cooperation with the UN, that and that alone justified the invasion.




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The truth, and it still is the truth 6 years later, is that these weapons never existed.
According to the UN weapons inspectors that is FALSE. Saddam manufactered thousands of stocks of various types of WMD during the 24 years that he was in power, and used WMD more times against foreign countries and on his own people than any leader since World War I. Today, there are still thousands of unaccounted for stocks of WMD based on UN records. Some claim these stocks were dismantled in the desert many years ago, others think they were hidden, but what factually happen to them and where and in what state or condition they are today is unknown.

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That part, that monumental part, the reason why we were told we needed to send over our troops was the biggest lie of this century. We had no reason to go into Iraq.
I got news for ya, there have been US and coalition troops near and sometimes in Iraq since 1991! The United States has bombed Iraq nearly every year since 1991, and years before Bush ever entered office!

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Can you name another leader besides Saddam in modern times that has launched 4 different invasions and unprovoked attacks on 4 different countries, threatened the planets main energy supplies with siezure and sabotoge, officially annexed one of his neighboring countries, used WMD more times than any leader since World War I, murdered through his wars and rule of Iraq nearly 1.7 million people, continue to remain in direct defiance of 17 UN Security Council Resolutions passed under chapter VII rules of the United Nations, while keeping a military of half a million troops, thousands of tanks and armored personal carries, thousands of Artillery pieces, hundreds of combat aircraft and potentially thousands of stocks of WMD, plus short range Ballistic Missiles?


Here is what Bill Clinton had to say about the threat Saddam posed in December 1998:

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oh yeah Iraq is a reeeal threat to the US. what, did it take us all of like 4 months to beat them in the Gulf War? we lost like 100 troops, they lost something around 50,000.



no, but we didnt go into Iraq in '03 because they invaded Kuwait did we?
The threat is not defined by lopsided casualty levels of a particular military action, but the potential ability of Saddams regime to threaten his neighboring countries who have energy supplies that is vital to the global economy.

The coaltion went into Iraq in 03 because of Saddam's failure to comply with UN security Council resolutions placed on Iraq as a RESULT of his invasion of Kuwait as well as violating the 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire Agreement.
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Now that's just silly. What's to stop us from invading Russia because there's some report out there that says Putin wants to destroy Michigan? Better to be safe than sorry!
We were all well aware of what happened on that Tuesday. Some of us kept it in mind so much that we weren't willing to sacrifice more American lives in a fruitless search that would further drive a wedge between us and the Middle East.
Putin's Russia does not have, and is not violating any UN Security Council resolutions passed under Chapter VII rules of the UN requiring him to verifiably disarm of all WMD as a result of an unprovoked invasion that threatened the planets energy supply.

There is much more cooperation today between the United States and people in the Middle East than there was before the Coalition invaded Iraq.
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None of this, I mean none of this is reason for war. What happened in NY had nothing to do with Iraq, do you still think it does? You don't invade based on "better safe than sorry", or these people will be happy...
Well, the United Nations did not think so, which is why it passed strict resolutions against Saddam, after his unprovoked invasion of Kuwait, requiring that he verifiably disarm of all WMD or face military action to enforce that requirment.
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He didn't say that. He, and Rumsfeld, and Condi, and yes, even Powell got on our televisions and said that these WMDs were an imminent threat. This was not the truth.

Not the truth. Not the truth. Not the truth. Not the truth. Not the truth. Repeat that over and over please.
The truth is that Saddam failed to verifiably disarm of all WMD as required by the UN resolutions, and that alone, made military action a necessity. Intelligence was wrong about Saddam's WMD capability in 1991 as well, he actually had more then than we thought, this time the investigations after the invasion failed to turn up banned WMD. But that does not mean such stocks did not exist, or could not later be manufactured.

Because of Saddam's behavior and failure to comply, the only reliable way to insure that Saddam would not have banned weapons now or in the future was to remove him from power. The United States and the international community tried multiple other means of of insuring that Saddam was verifiably disarmed for 12 years after the first Gulf War and they all failed. The only thing that succeeded finally was the invasion and removal of Saddam's regime.
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Well, the United Nations did not think so, which is why it passed strict resolutions against Saddam, after his unprovoked invasion of Kuwait, requiring that he verifiably disarm of all WMD or face military action to enforce that requirment.
It's funny how this had absolutely ZERO to do with my post and the context for which it was made, but any reason to mention the resolutions
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By BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writer Tue Aug 11, 4:45 pm ET

WASHINGTON – A swastika was found Tuesday painted on a sign outside Rep. David Scott's district office, an act the Georgia Democrat said reflects an increasingly hateful and racist debate over health care and should serve as a reminder for people to tone down their rhetoric.

Scott's staff arrived at his Smyrna, Ga., office Tuesday morning to find the Nazi graffiti emblazoned on a sign bearing the lawmaker's name. The vandalism occurred roughly a week after Scott was involved in a contentious argument over health care at a community meeting.

Scott, who is black, said he also has received mail in recent days that used N-word references to him, and that characterized President Barack Obama as a Marxist.

"We have got to make sure that the symbol of the swastika does not win, that the racial hatred that's bubbling up does not win this debate," Scott said in a telephone interview. "There's so much hatred out there for President (Barack) Obama."

A moderate Democrat who represents a majority-white district near Atlanta, Scott said he thinks the racism is isolated but can't be ignored. He said the swastika probably was intended as a warning. He hopes it instead persuades reasonable people to maintain a more substantive debate over health care changes.

"We must not allow it to intimidate us," he said.

Scott said his office immediately notified authorities, including the U.S. Capitol Police, who have warned lawmakers about potential threats stemming from the increasingly emotional debate over health care reform. An FBI spokesman said the bureau is investigating along with Capitol Police and the Smyrna Police Department.

Scott's Smyrna office is located in a bank building, so the congressman said he was optimistic that surveillance cameras captured the vandalism.

At an Aug. 1 community meeting in Douglasville, Ga., Scott angrily yelled at protesters who peppered him with questions and complaints about Democratic health care proposals. He has said he was upset that they interrupted a meeting that was supposed to be about plans for a new highway in the area.
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Moderators, a poster is spamming the forum, can this be addressed?
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It's funny how this had absolutely ZERO to do with my post and the context for which it was made, but any reason to mention the resolutions
Just don't engage with it. If we don't engage with it hopefully the spambot will go away and find another forum to spam.
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The UN passed resolutions against Saddam? Really?

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I'm going to address like three points because I really don't have the time or the "facts" sitting in a file ready to be copied and pasted.

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Putin's Russia does not have, and is not violating any UN Security Council resolutions passed under Chapter VII rules of the UN requiring him to verifiably disarm of all WMD as a result of an unprovoked invasion that threatened the planets energy supply.
Way to miss my point completely.

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There is much more cooperation today between the United States and people in the Middle East than there was before the Coalition invaded Iraq.
Maybe on a governmental level, since we've put in two leaders to our liking, but with the people... not so much. Not to say they hate us for our freedoms, but they don't want us there. We've created more problems than there originally were. Probably because of the leaders we put in that were to our liking.

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Can you name another leader besides Saddam in modern times that has launched 4 different invasions and unprovoked attacks on 4 different countries, threatened the planets main energy supplies with siezure and sabotoge, officially annexed one of his neighboring countries, used WMD more times than any leader since World War I, murdered through his wars and rule of Iraq nearly 1.7 million people, continue to remain in direct defiance of 17 UN Security Council Resolutions passed under chapter VII rules of the United Nations, while keeping a military of half a million troops, thousands of tanks and armored personal carries, thousands of Artillery pieces, hundreds of combat aircraft and potentially thousands of stocks of WMD, plus short range Ballistic Missiles?
No cause that's incredibly specific to Saddam. I can name you an Asian type leader of a small island in the pacific who has a lil' nickname and tested some short range missiles over some ocean on or around the July 4th holiday. Said individual is communist and really doesn't like the Japanese either.

Can you name me any other individuals who fit this description PRECISELY besides the Lil' Kim of North Korea?????

BTW, I love how you snuck the "potential" in there. Nice touch.
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the number of people who will acknowledge that Bush did the right thing will continue to rise.
It's a neocon dream.
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I'm going to address like three points because I really don't have the time or the "facts" sitting in a file ready to be copied and pasted.



Way to miss my point completely.



Maybe on a governmental level, since we've put in two leaders to our liking, but with the people... not so much. Not to say they hate us for our freedoms, but they don't want us there. We've created more problems than there originally were. Probably because of the leaders we put in that were to our liking.



No cause that's incredibly specific to Saddam. I can name you an Asian type leader of a small island in the pacific who has a lil' nickname and tested some short range missiles over some ocean on or around the July 4th holiday. Said individual is communist and really doesn't like the Japanese either.

Can you name me any other individuals who fit this description PRECISELY besides the Lil' Kim of North Korea?????

BTW, I love how you snuck the "potential" in there. Nice touch.
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So I guess the spambot comment was in earnest.

It's okay, I spent a total of three minutes typing up a response. I'll make those minutes up somehow.
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