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Old 08-11-2009, 01:01 PM   #151
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Did anybody ever happen to think what would have happened if Saddam did have WMD but we didnt act what would have happened? Better to be safe than sorry. By the way there are millions of Iraqi's who are grateful to this country that he's gone. While I am disappointed that Bin laden is still out there I am kind of glad that Saddam is gone with all of the evil he commited and potential for much more.

Alot of people forget that a few years before this war that something happened in NY, Washington, and Pa. I mean nobody here was concerned that Saddam wasnt cooperating with the weapons inspectors.
None of this, I mean none of this is reason for war. What happened in NY had nothing to do with Iraq, do you still think it does? You don't invade based on "better safe than sorry", or these people will be happy...

Bruce would be so disappointed.
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Now that's just silly. What's to stop us from invading Russia because there's some report out there that says Putin wants to destroy Michigan? Better to be safe than sorry!
We were all well aware of what happened on that Tuesday. Some of us kept it in mind so much that we weren't willing to sacrifice more American lives in a fruitless search that would further drive a wedge between us and the Middle East.
Has Putin committed Genocide? Has Putin Murdered millions of innocents? Has Putin ever aggressively threatened us?
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while i disavow any Bush/Hitler comparisons, i think one fair distinction to make is that those comparisons were made when Bush manipulated intelligence to justify an illegal war that has killed tens of thousands of Iraqis.

Obama wants to give everyone health coverage.

reasonable people can debate how we go about providing health care, and i think that has gone on in other threads, but i think there's a big, big difference between invoking a wild historical comparison when a big fucking invasion is at stake, versus when you're debating health care.
I try and avoid reductio ad Hitlerum arguments but one doesn't have to use much imagination to see the very real specter of at least soft-tyranny in such an all-encompassing reach into the lives of individuals by the state. In Nazi Germany the word was Gleichschaltung, state promised social protections in return for the forfeiting of certain individual liberties. The common good before the private good.
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Actually yes to your first question, of course Africa is a continent and not a country.

When did Iraq "make threats" on the U.S?





This is exactly how you came into the tour section, guns a blazing attacking as much as you can.

Again you have to point out guns ablazing. The guy posted a racist comment and I simply pointed it out.
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Again you have to point out guns ablazing. The guy posted a racist comment and I simply pointed it out.
Having one of your first posts in FYM calling someone's post the dumbest in all history and then questioning their fan status? Especially since the comment wasn't racist at all...

Not a good move.
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Having one of your first posts in FYM calling someone's post the dumbest in all history and then questioning their fan status? Especially since the comment wasn't racist at all...

Not a good move.

"and for the GOP as well as they are now a party for old Southern white straight christian men".


Your right BVS thats not racist. It only becomes racist if I change the words around. While I understand that as a conservative I am in the minority here and expect to take my lumps. But whats right is right. If I substitute some words in what he said there would be an outcry. Why is it good for one but not the other?
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What does being a U2 fan have to do with anything? Why is that brought up periodically, as if it's impossible that a "real" U2 fan could have opposing, and sometimes controversial views?
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Has Putin committed Genocide? Has Putin Murdered millions of innocents? Has Putin ever aggressively threatened us?
so you're for a war with russia?

sorry, but the US trying to be the police of the world and being involved in other countries affairs is partially why we are in this economic mess, AND why 9/11 happened, whether you want to admit it or not.
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"and for the Democrats as well as they are now a party for young, Northern, non-white, gay-loving, multi-religioned people."

or women, you know.

You'd be hard pressed to find a liberal in here to take offense to something like that, apart from the, "Hey! I'm white!!!!"
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"and for the GOP as well as they are now a party for old Southern white straight christian men".


Your right BVS thats not racist. It only becomes racist if I change the words around.
What attack or stereotype is he making of a race?
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What attack or stereotype is he making of a race?
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What does being a U2 fan have to do with anything? Why is that brought up periodically, as if it's impossible that a "real" U2 fan could have opposing, and sometimes controversial views?


yes, U2 fans are ONLY allowed to have X political views on Y subject.
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Bruce:

Your = possessive
You're = conjunction of you + are
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In Nazi Germany the word was Gleichschaltung, state promised social protections in return for the forfeiting of certain individual liberties. The common good before the private good.


and we could say the same thing about Sweden, 2009.

the parallel is really, really loose as it stands.
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