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Old 07-17-2010, 04:16 PM   #91
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Was it debt as a percentage of GDP? That's always fun. The best is when he refuses to look at the eight year trend of Bush and instead looks at the average of the eight years, which allows Bush to look much better since his process of fucking everything up was long and drawn out.
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he even uses 2009 numbers to blame Obama. hilarious!
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Old 07-17-2010, 09:43 PM   #93
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Surely you guys are aware that Obama caused the global recession?
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it didn't even have much to do with what i posted, and in fact he supported my thesis, which is that deficits go up when Republicans are in charge and even when they are presiding over periods of economic grown and expansion. the only Republican he could find where that didn't happen was EISENHOWER, who's now a big old liberal by today's standards.

don't worry, we all debunked the credibility of "debt as a percentage of GDP" long ago.

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I simply corected, with facts, some totally inaccurate statements that you made. You stated that the national debt exploded under George Bush and the Republican congress from 2001 to 2006. I simply showed the actual figures and proved your statement to be false! A 12% increase over 6 years is not an EXPLOSION.

You said there had never been a Republican that reduced the deficit and the national debt. Thats false and I showed you one example. The debt under Nixon while not really decreasing did not really go up either. Spending was cut under Nixon as well. Again, all I'm doing is showing that your statement above was incorrect.

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don't worry, we all debunked the credibility of "debt as a percentage of GDP" long ago.
No credible politician, economist or citizen interested in assessing accurately the level of burden has on the country would ignore "debt as a percentage of GDP". Nearly every military or political think tank around the world uses debt as a percentage of GDP when assessing the burden it has on that country. On a personal level, the burden a certain debt has on an individual can only be accurately assessed if you compare to that persons wealth. GDP is a measure of the countries wealth which is why debt as a percentage of GDP, defense spending as percentage of GDP, Health Care spending as a percentage of GDP in assessing the burden that certain types of spending, all spending, or the national debt has on the country.

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the point remains: Republicans cut taxes, not deficits
Well, if that were true, no Republican would have ever cut the deficit and that is of course false. Republicans have also raised taxes too. Ronald Reagan raised certain taxes multiple times.
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he even uses 2009 numbers to blame Obama. hilarious!
I didn't blame Obama for anything! I simply listed what debt as a percentage of GDP was in his time in office up to this point! Not understanding that basic fact is what is hilarious.
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Was it debt as a percentage of GDP? That's always fun. The best is when he refuses to look at the eight year trend of Bush and instead looks at the average of the eight years, which allows Bush to look much better since his process of fucking everything up was long and drawn out.
I've never refused to look at any trend or any fact or data. Your the one that refuses to acknowledge any basic fact that might put Bush in a good light.
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Surely you guys are aware that Obama caused the global recession?
Simply pointing out the fact that the debt did not EXPLODE while Bush had a republican congress from 2001 to 2006 and that there have been Republicans that reduced the deficit is in no way a suggestion of Obama being responsible for or causing anything.
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Balanced budgets only occurred in the Clinton years after the arrival of Newt.

And while I agree about Bush he looks almost miserly compared to Obama and Co. who have Bikini Atolled the deficit 45% in just 2 years. No wonder the Democrats are avoiding their constitutional duty to pass a budget. Even some of them are embarrassed.

Oh, oh. Bordering close to hate speech here so I better shut up.
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do you remember *why* the Democrats spent so much money? do you remember *why* the Bush administration did the whole TARP thing?

it all started in September of 2008.
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And while I agree about Bush he looks almost miserly compared to Obama and Co. who have Bikini Atolled the deficit 45% in just 2 years.
Fucking Obama had to deregulate the financial industry and start a kajillion dollar war out in the Middle East based on lies.
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it all started in September of 2008.
Will that be Obama's 2012 campaign slogan?
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Fucking Obama had to deregulate the financial industry and start a kajillion dollar war out in the Middle East based on lies.
Obama started a war in the middle east?
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...Aaaand the point goes sailing overhead.

Getting a little too combative in here folks...

The ignore list usually works best if you don't use the threads to discuss why you're ignoring someone.
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do you remember *why* the Democrats spent so much money? do you remember *why* the Bush administration did the whole TARP thing?

it all started in September of 2008.
Seems to me that Sept 2008 was the end result, not the beginning:

1. Clinton and Republican Congress repeal Glass-Steagal with bipartisan support
2. 9/11 happens, economy tanks, long-serving Fed chairman keeps rates too low for too long
3. Congress whistles past the Fannie/Freddie graveyard
4. Bubble bursts, let the blame game begin!
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Seems to me that Sept 2008 was the end result, not the beginning:

1. Clinton and Republican Congress repeal Glass-Steagal with bipartisan support
2. 9/11 happens, economy tanks, long-serving Fed chairman keeps rates too low for too long
3. Congress whistles past the Fannie/Freddie graveyard
4. Bubble bursts, let the blame game begin!


and thus, it's the Democrats who spend and explode the deficit, not Republicans.
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