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Old 01-31-2011, 08:13 PM   #676
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if Obama wins in 2012
there is now a back up plan

FB + Twitter + flash mobs = regime change
That sounds inspiring, but it'd just end up with them coalescing around coarse, hysterical populist demagogues who'd provoke them into self-defeating bouts of destructive rage. It's unfortunate, because their system admittedly is increasingly plutocratic and unjust, but the sad truth is Americans aren't ready for democracy.
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If the individual mandate ends up sinking the law (via Supreme Court decision), then God help America.

Although the uninformed think the mandate is some kind of socialist gov't takeover, it is actually throwing a bone to the insurance companies. If anything, be concerned that the insurance co. money is wayyyy too deep into politicians' pockets for Washington to ever craft something resembling a public option for healthcare.

Reading the judge's opinion, though, I feel sympathetic for him. He basically says, "Yeah, I feel really shitty about this guys, but I gotta respect the Constitution."
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I don't know if this has appeared anywhere in the Blue Crack yet:

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798 - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes
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Judge says Obama healthcare overhaul unconstitutional



anyone want to speculate how

this Supreme Court will vote?

I see a 5-4 vote
i saw some comments on facebook about this. one said obama is unconstitutional.

i mean, where do you go with stupidity like that?
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The 2012 Democratic National Convention will be held at the Time Warner Cable Arena in Charlotte, North Carolina.

http://www.wsoctv.com/politics/26691932/detail.html

Time Warner Cable Arena - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is North Carolina leaning red nowadays?

It would be pretty awkward to hold the DNC in a state trending toward the GOP.

Plus- Do you think Obama will give his acceptance speech at the Bank of America Stadium?
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The 2012 Democratic National Convention will be held at the Time Warner Cable Arena in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Top Democrat Arrives To Tour 2012 DNC Site In Charlotte - Politics News Story - WSOC Charlotte

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Is North Carolina leaning red nowadays?

It would be pretty awkward to hold the DNC in a state trending toward the GOP.

Plus- Do you think Obama will give his acceptance speech at the Bank of America Stadium?
The contenders were Minneapolis, Cleveland, St. Louis and Charlotte. I think this was a move to try and help lock up NC for 2012. Obama won it in 2008, so...

I would have loved for it to be Mpls., but keeping NC in the Dems column for 2012 is huge.
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The contenders were Minneapolis, Cleveland, St. Louis and Charlotte. I think this was a move to try and help lock up NC for 2012. Obama won it in 2008, so...

I would have loved for it to be Mpls., but keeping NC in the Dems column for 2012 is huge.
You don't think Ohio would have been a better choice?
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You don't think Ohio would have been a better choice?
I don't know what to make of Ohio. Really.

I think because NC was a little bit of a surprise in 2008, it's a safer choice to try and hold it.
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You don't think Ohio would have been a better choice?
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Ohio is a lost cause
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The thing that made my blood boil about the State of the Union speech was the part where he (not blaming only him, I know the speech was written by others) stated that 'that world is gone' (where anyone who worked hard could get a job) and that we had to strive hard to teach kids better if we are to get ahead of China and India in the future- did everyone forget that the reason China and India are ahead of us is not because they are smarter or better educated but BECAUSE OUR OWN COUNTRY, CORPORATIONS WITH THE ENDORSEMENT OF OUR OWN GOVERNMENT GAVE OUR JOBS AWAY TO THOSE COUNTRIES IN ORDER SO SAVE MONEY AND GET TAX BREAKS!! That's right, they literally gave away the American dream and way of life so that a very few rich bastards could profit at the expense of 99.9% of the population! So what could will it do to educate anyone better when they aren't going to be hired anyway because overseas workers will still get the jobs because they are cheaper?!

Even worse was that the speech basically admitted with the 'win the future' BS that ALL OF US LIVING AND WORKING NOW ARE BASICALLY FUCKED!! How did the media not pick up on this? I noticed it right away and have been furious ever since.
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Obama speaks here tomorrow.
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TRENDING: Obama delivers major speech on personal faith

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

President Barack Obama gave an unusually personal speech about his religious faith on Thursday, saying that "it is the biblical injunction to serve the least of these that keeps me going and keeps me from being overwhelmed," in address to a prayer breakfast in Washington.

The speech, delivered at the National Prayer Breakfast, comes on the heels of public opinion surveys that show only a minority of Americans know that Obama is a Christian and that a growing number believe he's a Muslim.

"My Christian faith has been sustaining for me over the last couple of years and even more so when Michelle and I hear our faith questioned from time to time," the president said Thursday, referring to his wife. "We are reminded that ultimately what matters is not what other people say about us but that we are true to our conscience and true to our God."

"When I wake in the morning, I wait on the Lord, I ask him to give me the strength to do right by our country and our people," Obama said later. "And when I go to bed at night, I wait on the Lord and I ask him to forgive me my sins and to look after my family and to make me an instrument of the Lord."

The address was televised and streamed live on the White House website.

The White House denied that the speech is a response to public misperceptions about Obama's religion.

"He's a committed Christian, one who takes his faith very seriously," said a White House official before the speech. "There may be misunderstanding and some folks who attack his faith, but at the end of the day the American people know who he is and where he stands."

A major survey last fall, however, showed that a substantial and growing number of Americans believes that Obama - a self-described Christian - is Muslim.

Nearly 1 in 5 Americans believes Obama is a Muslim, up from about one in 10 Americans who said he was Muslim in 2009, according to the survey. It was conducted in July and August by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.

Fewer than half of Democrats and African-Americans, core components of Obama's political base, correctly identified Obama as Christian.

The Rev. Joel Hunter, a Florida minister who is close to the president and was consulted about parts of Obama's Thursday speech, says he has encouraged Obama to open up about his faith.

"He needs to openly declare himself a Christian and not settle for people's skepticism at that point," said Hunter, who leads an evangelical church in Orlando. "All of us ought to be able to say who we are and taken for our word. It's frustrating because he still has some people questioning his faith."

Hunter says that he and the White House were caught off-guard by the results of last year's Pew survey on Americans' views of Obama's religion.

On Thursday, Obama spoke at length about his prayer life, saying his prayers fall into three categories: for those who are struggling, for personal humility, and to be closer to God.

"Faith reminds me that in spite of being one very imperfect man I can still help whoever I can, however I can, wherever I can for as long as I can," Obama said of the first kind of prayer, "and that somehow God will buttress these efforts."

"The second recurring theme in my prayer is a prayer for humility," Obama said later. "God answered the prayer early on by having me marry Michelle."

"The challenge is to balance this uncertainty and humility with a need to fight for deeply held convictions," he continued. "I pray for this wisdom very day. I pray for God to show me and all us the limits of our understanding."

With regard to his third kind of prayer, Obama said the recurring theme "is that I might walk closer to God and make that walk my first and most important walk."

The White House believes that some of the ignorance about the president's faith is the result of a misinformation campaign against him.

"Under the radar there are of course those who would not tell the truth about him," said the White House official, who would not speak for attribution. "There are folks who have a misunderstanding of the president's faith and who repeat that misunderstanding."

But Hunter said that the speech was as much a product of Obama settling into office and feeling more comfortable about revealing his personal side.

The White House official echoed that point. "He's had a little over two years in office now and he's had some time to reflect on how his faith intersects with public work," the official said. "He's had the time to make those reflections."
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"The White House official echoed that point. "He's had a little over two years in office now and he's had some time to reflect on how his faith intersects with public work," the official said. "He's had the time to make those reflections."




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Old 02-06-2011, 01:02 AM   #690
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I'm not sure what I detest more:

a) The fact that the White House has to manage public opinion as to whether Obama's a Muslim plant

b) The fact that America is still a country where this bullshit actually means leaders need to go through the motions regarding religion, whether they believe or not.
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