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Old 12-21-2010, 05:18 PM   #526
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Hopefully the 67 votes will go up a bit.

Some GOP Senators should be able to say they wanted to amend/ improve it a bit.
But, in its present form it is still better than no treaty.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:17 PM   #527
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Senate approves New START treaty
Los Angeles Times | December 22, 2010 | 12:06 p.m.

The Senate ratified the strategic nuclear arms treaty between the United States and Russia today, fulfilling President Obama's major foreign policy goal for the lame-duck session.

By a 71-26 vote, the Senate approved the treaty,
known as New START, which Republicans had blocked. Ratification required 67 votes. Passage seemed assured on Tuesday when 11 Republicans joined 56 Democrats to vote for cloture on the measure.

Under the treaty, Russia and the United States agree to limit the number of nuclear warheads to 1,550 each, down from the ceiling of 2,200. The pact also establishes a system for monitoring and verification. The treaty was signed by Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on April 8.
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and they got the 9-11 responders bill through. which is a bit like saying, "okay, we'll stop clubbing puppies."
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that is good

I don't recall if that was an Obama priority.
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and they got the 9-11 responders bill through.
Good.
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Well, the opposition can shut you down with just 60 votes, so you need at least 41 members of the senate to keep it going against the opposition. The Republicans currently control 42 seats in the US Senate, but that number will go up some in January 2011 when the newly elected Senators officially come into office.
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this is very lazy.

most other presidents haven't faced an opposition that has marched in such lock-step, most other presidents haven't faced such a nakedly partisan environment where the opposition's stated goal has been to resist the president regardless of whether or not it's good for the country.
Its not lazy, its true. As of right now, the Republicans only hold 42 seats in the Senate. The Democrats could fly right by any filibuster attempt by just picking up two Republicans.

I think President Bill Clinton would say that he faced a very partisan environment with the impeachment and attempt to remove him from office.

No matter how you slice it, Obama has been lucky to have the ratio's in congress that he has had the past two years and its his and the democratic parties falt for being unable to pick up just two Republicans out of 42 to get past a filibuster.
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or try and prevent nuclear annihilation

The Start treaty is a good thing, but lets not get carried away here. Were going down from 2,200 warheads to 1,550 warheads that are "active". There are still over 5,000 warheads on each side that are not active and are essentially just sitting on the shelf and have not been disposed of yet.
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No matter how you slice it, Obama has been lucky to have the ratio's in congress that he has had the past two years and its his and the democratic parties falt for being unable to pick up just two Republicans out of 42 to get past a filibuster.
Yeah, it's his fault that all of them have stuck their fingers in their ears and are screaming "we're not listening, nyah!"

These are the people who up until this morning were blocking healthcare for 9/11 responders, and would have continued to do so were they not utterly shame by even FOX News for heaven's sake. THAT is what we're dealing with here.
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Well, the opposition can shut you down with just 60 votes, so you need at least 41 members of the senate to keep it going against the opposition. The Republicans currently control 42 seats in the US Senate, but that number will go up some in January 2011 when the newly elected Senators officially come into office.
That's not what you said.

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by just picking up two Republicans.
Oh, that's all? Only pick up two from the party of no? From the party that up until today turned their backs upon those they have exploited for years?

Is that all?

When you're dealing with children turning two into grown ups is very difficult.
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Yeah, it's his fault that all of them have stuck their fingers in their ears and are screaming "we're not listening, nyah!"

These are the people who up until this morning were blocking healthcare for 9/11 responders, and would have continued to do so were they not utterly shame by even FOX News for heaven's sake. THAT is what we're dealing with here.
Hey, even a marginal leader could pick up two votes.
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That's not what you said.
So sorry it was not clear enough the first time. Is it better now?


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Oh, that's all? Only pick up two from the party of no? From the party that up until today turned their backs upon those they have exploited for years?

Is that all?

When you're dealing with children turning two into grown ups is very difficult.
Well, most Presidents would not have any problem with a 58 to 42 ratio in the Senate. I guess you could also say that if one knows how to lead and is not a child, they would easily be able to pick up 2 people out of 42.
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Yeah, it's his fault that all of them have stuck their fingers in their ears and are screaming "we're not listening, nyah!"

These are the people who up until this morning were blocking healthcare for 9/11 responders, and would have continued to do so were they not utterly shame by even FOX News for heaven's sake. THAT is what we're dealing with here.
You only need to get 2 people out of 42. There are not a lot of legit excuses for being incapable of doing that.
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Well, most Presidents would not have any problem with a 58 to 42 ratio in the Senate. I guess you could also say that if one knows how to lead and is not a child, they would easily be able to pick up 2 people out of 42.
Take a look at how many times they used it compared to the decades past.

We are not dealing with reasonable men and women.
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Take a look at how many times they used it compared to the decades past.

We are not dealing with reasonable men and women.
A lot of these men and women in the Senate are the same men and women that were there in the 1990s and 1980s. You only need to get two of them to get by any filibuster.
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