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Old 12-20-2010, 10:42 PM   #511
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So, Liberman and Brown are coming out swinging and being all smart and voting well, while McCain drifts deeper into a grumpy old man persona that feels the need to rail against everything.

*Checks outside to see if the world is starting to turn upside down*

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Old 12-20-2010, 11:12 PM   #512
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Damn...


i know, right? wow.

something's going on with Lieberman -- i know that his camp was worried that they'd be thrown under the bus it somehow it boiled down to DADT vs. START, but now that they've got one, perhaps he's doing what he can for Obama on the other. and smart move by Obama to bring Joe back into the fold rather than isolate him after he campaigned for Grandpa Walnuts in 2008.
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yes, because, historically, the minority party in the Senate has always used the filibuster in the way that it has the past 2 years.
Well, they barely had even enough people to have a filibuster. Most other presidents would have pushed by easily with those ratio's in congress.
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Well, they barely had even enough people to have a filibuster. Most other presidents would have pushed by easily with those ratio's in congress.

this is very lazy.

most other presidents haven't faced an opposition that has marched in such lock-step, most other presidents haven't faced such a nakedly partisan environment where the opposition's stated goal has been to resist the president regardless of whether or not it's good for the country.
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Well, they barely had even enough people to have a filibuster. Most other presidents would have pushed by easily with those ratio's in congress.
It only takes one senator to filibuster, but (I believe) it takes 60 or 61 senate votes to end the filibuster.

This rule is established with the swearing-in and adopting of procedures at the beginning of each term of the senate. So, many are calling for a change in the rule.

And, I agree. The filibuster has been abused.
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And, I agree. The filibuster has been abused.
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The Republicans have been using the filibuster to block even routine motions to begin debate, which has angered many Democratic senators. In the current (111th) Senate, there have been over 100 filibusters, compared to 27 filibusters in the period 1919 to 1960, which comes up to fewer than 1 per year, so the rate for this Senate is 100x the average for the first half of the 20th century. In the entire 19th century there were about 20 filibusters, roughly one every five years. In other words, the filibuster has historically been used only for very, very major battles, of which the debates over slavery, secession, and reconstruction weren't even important enough.
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It only takes one senator to filibuster, but (I believe) it takes 60 or 61 senate votes to end the filibuster.

This rule is established with the swearing-in and adopting of procedures at the beginning of each term of the senate. So, many are calling for a change in the rule.

And, I agree. The filibuster has been abused.
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Say what?


I should have been more clear: I agree the rule should be changed. It's not w/o controversy; there are a lot of Democrats weary of changing the rule because they feel it will protect them if/when they are the minority in the senate.


There is no doubt, the filibuster has been abused.
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There is no doubt, the filibuster has been abused.

i blame Obama. if he didn't try to do things against the Constitution like make health care affordable or try and prevent nuclear annihilation or give straights the right to get ogled by gays in military showers or thank the first responders to 9-11 by taking care of their health then the GOP wouldn't be forced to filibuster like they have.



also, rumors that Mike Rogers is going to out Lindsey Graham for being such a dick about DADT.

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Well, they barely had even enough people to have a filibuster.
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filibustering only works if all 40 filibuster at exactly the same time!
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Obama will be having a better Christmas than John McCain, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, of Kentucky, and Jon Kyl of Arizona

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New START passes hurdle in Senate
Los Angeles Times | December 21, 2010 | 12:39 p.m.


The strategic nuclear arms treaty passed a key procedural hurdle today when the Senate voted to bring New START, the weapons pact between the United States and Russia, to the floor of the Senate for a final vote.


The Senate voted 67-28 to pass a cloture motion, enough to assure final ratification of the pact.
Ratification will give the Obama administration its top foreign policy goal
in the lame-duck session.


Throughout the day, GOP senators lined up to explain why they were ready to vote for the treaty, which had been opposed by top Republicans, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, of Kentucky, and Jon Kyl of Arizona.
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Obama will be having a better Christmas than John McCain, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, of Kentucky, and Jon Kyl of Arizona
He should. I wish I was vacationing in a sunny, tropical foreign country for Christmas.

The 2010 Obama Hawaii Vacation


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not to put a jinx on it ... but with "the deal" -- which is now really liked by moderates and independents -- along with DADT -- which makes the liberal base feel a bit better -- as well as likely START -- which everyone wants -- Obama seems to be the rare democrat who can actually deliver with 3 big wins in the face of Nov losses.

usually, Democrats are renowned for their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Wow. Look at you, Obama and the Democrats, getting some big stuff passed there. I'm impressed .

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