Obama General Discussion II

[Irvine511]

please -- he said nigra. that's what you say when you want to be polite about using derogatory terminology for black people. world of difference.

 

[corianderstem]

nm

They're not even worth the time it takes to type a vitriolic response.

 

[Irvine511]

i will add that this guy isn't a Tea Party leader, he isn't going on TV acting as a pundit for the Tea Party, he isn't a spokesman, he isn't anyone of any actual importance.

however, it's very important to continue to point out that the Tea Party hits on every single racist, populist, sexist, homophobic, white identity panic button that the GOP has played since at least the 1990s, and when you do that, the crazies are going to come out of the woodwork and stand right alongside you. you can say you're not racist all you want, but clearly, you've provided a warm, safe space for someone to come and be a big racist and flex those white cultural panic muscles.

you can claim it's all about taxes and spending, but for many, many people, "tax and spend" means "tax the whites, spend on the blacks."

 

[BVS]

i will add that this guy isn't a Tea Party leader, he isn't going on TV acting as a pundit for the Tea Party, he isn't a spokesman, he isn't anyone of any actual importance.

True, but he exemplifies a big portion of the Tea Party.

He exemplifies those that don't recognize bigotry unless it's aimed towards them, that long for the WASP society that exist in Leave it to Beaver reruns, that don't preach love but preach "god" and Amerika, those that fear their "status" may change.

Just like the Koch employee was reported to have said, "let's get the rednecks to the dirty work for us".

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

you can claim it's all about taxes and spending, but for many, many people, "tax and spend" means "tax the whites, spend on the blacks."

this.

 

[deep]

tax the hard working people
and spend it on the lazy people collecting welfare
(we'll leave race out of it)

 

[INDY500]

Telemprompter Inventor "Hub" Schlafly Dies; Device Changed Public Address in America
April 26, 2011

ABC's Z. Byron Wolf and Brian Canova report:

You’ve never heard of Hubert J. “Hub” Schlafly Jr., but if you’ve seen a major political speech in the past generation, you know his work. Schlafly invented the TelePrompTer and changed public address in America. He died April 20th in Connecticut.

President Barack Obama, is hailed by supporters as a gifted orator. But he has been lambasted by critics for his reliance on the teleprompter. In truth, every President since Dwight D. Eisenhower, excepting Nixon, has used one for major speeches in Congress.

Schlafly, a TV engineer, developed the device in the 1950’s to help soap opera actors remember their lines, according to the Washington Post.

 

[the iron horse]

I love how religion and this birther issue are just covering up the fact that people don't like having a fucking black person for president.

There is nothing else to it.

When will some of you put your crayons back in the box?

I don't like President Obama's policies.

So that makes me a racists?


I didn't like President Bush.

Does that make me a racists?

Oh
I guess it doesn't with people who keep checking things
with crayons.

 

[BVS]

When will some of you put your crayons back in the box?

I don't like President Obama's policies.

So that makes me a racists?


I didn't like President Bush.

Does that make me a racists?

Oh
I guess it doesn't with people who keep checking things
with crayons.

Not one person in here has ever stated that you're a racist if you don't like Obama's policies.

NOT ONE!

Why is it soooooo hard for you to address the actual topics? Surely you're informed enough to do so, right?

Drop the crayons talk, drop the s and be adult enough to engage, if not do not waste our time.

 

[yolland]

Hi INDY!

Schlafly, a TV engineer, developed the device in the 1950’s to help soap opera actors remember their lines

Figures.

(Didn't the last remaining soap opera just die too? so to speak...)

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

i'm a closet soap opera watcher

(Didn't the last remaining soap opera just die too? so to speak...)

they're not all off the air yet

 

[coolian2]

When will some of you put your crayons back in the box?

I don't like President Obama's policies.

So that makes me a racists?


I didn't like President Bush.

Does that make me a racists?

Oh
I guess it doesn't with people who keep checking things
with crayons.

singular, teacher.

 

[Canadiens1131]

WOW

I'm not a racist, but I don't want those niggers to vote.

At first I was like, "Oh, I think he's just saying 'negros' like a redneck", then I was like "Oh, wait, he just listed 'blacks' and 'nigras' separately".

Good times.

When will some of you put your crayons back in the box?

I don't like President Obama's policies.

So that makes me a racists?


I didn't like President Bush.

Does that make me a racists?

Oh
I guess it doesn't with people who keep checking things
with crayons.

You're not a racist. Bigot? Maybe. One thing's for sure, you may dislike many current Republicans, but you revel in the same art of taking offense to things and making sure people know about it, goshdarnit!

 

[Irvine511]

When will some of you put your crayons back in the box?

I don't like President Obama's policies.

So that makes me a racists?


I didn't like President Bush.

Does that make me a racists?

Oh
I guess it doesn't with people who keep checking things
with crayons.

well, someone's certainly playing the race card. the conservative's always play this "don't call me a racist!" card whenever the subject comes up, because it's far worse to be accused of racism than actually being racist.

 

[Canadiens1131]

well, someone's certainly playing the race card. the conservative's always play this "don't call me a racist!" card whenever the subject comes up, because it's far worse to be accused of racism than actually being racist.

The 2000s have been the decade where we've refined "being offended by something* to an art.

I blame cable news and conservative talk radio.

 

[BoMac]

White House releases Obama birth certificate -  News - MSN CA

 

[yolland]

Rising Gas Prices: Can Obama Do Anything About Them? - Slate

"I think the fact that [Obama] won't allow exploration in the Gulf, doesn't allow exploration in the inter-mountain west, won't allow us to drill in Alaska, this is not helping the situation," said [Speaker of the House] Boehner. "And then when you look at what the EPA is doing in terms of the number of rules and regulations comin' down the pike, those were his responsibility."

It would be awfully convenient if new drilling licenses in the Gulf and relaxed EPA regulations could drive the price of oil down. They wouldn't. "If someone tries to dupe you into thinking we don't have enough refining capacity, that's bullshit," says Tom Kloza, the co-founder and chief oil analyst of the Oil Price Information Service. "It's a good soundbite, but if anything, companies have probably added too much capacity, and if they add more they have to focus on managing margins." It's a good enough soundbite that a lot of Republicans use it to argue that the White House's dithering on Gulf Coast drilling, in the wake of the 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster, is responsible for rising prices. Oil companies, in this telling, are stuck in a sort of "permitorium." But the Deepwater disaster didn't have much of an effect on prices. When the rig blew on April 20, 2010, crude was trading around $84 per barrel. When the well was capped on July 15 the price had fallen to $76.

A barrel of brent crude oil costs roughly $50 more today than it did back then. We have some idea why. The critical factor has been the unrest in the Middle East. According to industry analysts, prices have gone up because of worries both about what's already happening and what could happen. The civil war in Libya, a country that usually produces 1.6 million barrels of light, sweet crude every day, has added something like $20 to the price of a barrel of oil—a combination of decreased availability and speculative panic. Worries about what could happen in other OPEC nations are driving the price even higher. "At any moment, people wonder if you'll see firebombs in the streets of Riyadh," says Kloza. "The Saudis have to cut more checks so people don't demonstrate against them. That's not something they're used to budgeting for."

The president—or members of Congress!—could skip the coming, predictable assault on oil company subsidies, and take on speculators instead. Wars and economic distress are not new to the oil market. But the market for oil futures has never been as big as it is now. It's basically quadrupled since the start of the financial crisis, as investors and funds have sought out safe, reliable commodities to invest in.

That's the political opening. The only question is whether anyone's actually able to go through it. Theoretically, the president of the United States could talk about this aspect of the gas price problem and elevate it. Unfortunately, the president is Barack Obama, whose every economic move is labeled "socialism" by the opposition, and who has already alienated some of the hedge fund managers in the center of this. A move against the commodities trade from Obama would be less Nixon goes to China than Johnson goes to Vietnam. But this is the plan Kloza is recommending to Obama, free of charge. "He will piss off Wall Street, no question," says the oil price analyst. "He will piss off Morgan Stanley. He will piss off Goldman Sachs. He will alienate people, but people will know he's ready to spank the speculators."

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

it's barely been a year since deepwater horizon and people are already whining that we should explore the gulf? wow, some people have awfully short memories.

 

[the iron horse]

Not one person in here has ever stated that you're a racist if you don't like Obama's policies.

NOT ONE!

Why is it soooooo hard for you to address the actual topics? Surely you're informed enough to do so, right?

Drop the crayons talk, drop the s and be adult enough to engage, if not do not waste our time.

I was simply commenting on this statement:

I love how religion and this birther issue are just covering up the fact that people don't like having a fucking black person for president.

 

[coolian2]

I was simply commenting on this statement:

I love how religion and this birther issue are just covering up the fact that people don't like having a fucking black person for president.

i doubt bvs was talking about just you

reading is fun

 

[maycocksean]

White House releases Obama birth certificate - News - MSN CA

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But when is he going to release his REAL birth certificate?

 

[BVS]

I was simply commenting on this statement:

I love how religion and this birther issue are just covering up the fact that people don't like having a fucking black person for president.

No you weren't.

Beal was talking about birthers and those that think Obama is a Muslim.

Does that include you?

If it does then you're ignorant and it's not just the policies you don't like.

If it doesn't then that's not how you addressed it because you turned it around to be about you and how someone was calling you a "racist(s)".

Reading IS fun, try a little more of it

 

[deep]

besides even if he is, he is Sunni - that is the good side, like Saudi Arabia, our allies.

the Iranians are Shiite, Shiites are the bad Muslims.

 

[the iron horse]

No you weren't.

Beal was talking about birthers and those that think Obama is a Muslim.

Does that include you?

If it does then you're ignorant and it's not just the policies you don't like.

If it doesn't then that's not how you addressed it because you turned it around to be about you and how someone was calling you a "racist(s)".

Reading IS fun, try a little more of it

"Beal was talking about birthers and those that think Obama is a Muslim."


So, now that is the thought I was commenting on?


And I'm the one who needs to read more?

 

[financeguy]

I say, concentrate on this issues. F***, after two and a half years, there's plenty of ammunition to use in criticising Obama without going near race and background issues. His record, for example. I think the reason the right obsess over the birth cert stuff - and their next gambit, as Maycocksean rightly says, will be to claim that the birth cert is a forgery, the issue won't go away - is that it's an easy, lazy win for them. It lets them off the hook also, in that it avoids the responsibility to present solutions for fixing America's broken economy.

 

[purpleoscar]

I say, concentrate on this issues. F***, after two and a half years, there's plenty of ammunition to use in criticising Obama without going near race and background issues. His record, for example. I think the reason the right obsess over the birth cert stuff - and their next gambit, as Maycocksean rightly says, will be to claim that the birth cert is a forgery, the issue won't go away - is that it's an easy, lazy win for them. It lets them off the hook also, in that it avoids the responsibility to present solutions for fixing America's broken economy.

I agree. Many of the best conservatives are eyeing 2016. I wonder what S & P's rating will be for the U.S. then.

 

[the iron horse]

I say, concentrate on this issues. F***, after two and a half years, there's plenty of ammunition to use in criticising Obama without going near race and background issues. His record, for example. I think the reason the right obsess over the birth cert stuff - and their next gambit, as Maycocksean rightly says, will be to claim that the birth cert is a forgery, the issue won't go away - is that it's an easy, lazy win for them. It lets them off the hook also, in that it avoids the responsibility to present solutions for fixing America's broken economy.

It would be nice to hear some real solutions to our problems in America.

 

[Irvine511]

It would be nice to hear some real solutions to our problems in America.

other than smoking, eating junk food, dehumanzing gays, and loving Jesus, what else have you got for solutions?

 

[PhilsFan]

Even if the government prevents you from marrying, the sun will come up tomorrow.

 

[BVS]

"Beal was talking about birthers and those that think Obama is a Muslim."


So, now that is the thought I was commenting on?

If that wasn't what you were commenting on then you shouldn't have quoted Beal, because that is what Beal was commenting on.

YOU need to start actually reading the posts you quote and the sources you site. Context context context... you're making yourself look like an illiterate as of late.