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Old 11-29-2010, 02:56 PM   #391
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Citing Deficit, Obama Freezing Federal Worker Pay - ABC News

this should help with independents and tea party types?

do you think?
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He's already getting nods from independent types, but the Tea Party crowd won't give him any props until he changes his skin color...
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Obama is a wonderful person and a man of the world.
Really? And there was me thinking he is the biggest lightweight in global politics (a role for which there is plenty of competition).
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He's already getting nods from independent types, but the Tea Party crowd won't give him any props until he changes his skin color...
Pathetic.
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He's already getting nods from independent types, but the Tea Party crowd won't give him any props until the Koch Brothers say they should.
Fixed.
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Really? And there was me thinking he is the biggest lightweight in global politics (a role for which there is plenty of competition).
None of that has anything to do with what I said.

In fact I think that Obama is too good of a man to be an effective politician.
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None of that has anything to do with what I said.

In fact I think that Obama is too good of a man to be an effective politician.
Where's the goodness? Explain to me why he's any more good than, say, GWB. To me, he's a neo-liberal elitist who bailed out Wall Street, an empty suit backed by private banks. His administration has utterly failed to take tough action against the banksters precisely because his administration is deeply in hock to them (I'm not saying the European governments are any better, they're probably worse), and his foreign policy is a complete f******* shambles. (Pardon the French).

But, yeah, agreed on the lack of effectiveness.
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I agree with some of what you said.

Though they have passed bills dealing with the banking industry in general and regulations specifically that I think you are giving him zero credit for and in fact I think a lot of people really fail to understand. He should have gone further, absolutely, because he had an unprecedented feeling of goodwill from the public who wanted to nail these assholes to the wall.

But I am cognizant of the fact, which you seem to fail to acknowledge at all, that the American president can't get anything done at all due to the political climate, the set up of Congress, and in Obama's case specifically, the Democratic party's absolute lack of any kind of conviction or willingness to act.

Washington and America are a total disaster, politically and economically.
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I don't really buy the 'Obama is a man of inaction' or 'doesn't know how to lead' bullshit. People try to fault him on not having a strong opinion one way or another like W., which is fucking ridiculous. The guy is more centerist than the Republicans or the Democrats want him to be.

His biggest mistake as far as 'getting things done' has been choices for White House staff; I'll fault him on that.

Actually, no, his biggest mistake has been trying to get the Republicans on board with anything, and then expecting the congressional Democrats to actually get their finger out.

I just think Washington is fundamentally broken, and President Palin will find she same thing out when she's elected.
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and President Palin will find she same thing out when she's elected.


Along those lines...
Some of my local friends are looking into what it would take to rent a house and register in Michele Bachmann's district just so we can vote against her next time.
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So far he hasn't been able to get unemployment extended-not even with his Slurpee summit. So that's what those people are facing for the holidays.

Not entirely his fault of course, but he will be blamed for it.
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Hey the GOP is the party of the everyday American, as long as the everyday American family makes more than $1,000,000 a year and does not need unemployment benefits extended because of structural unemployment
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Hey the GOP is the party of the everyday American, as long as the everyday American family makes more than $1,000,000 a year and does not need unemployment benefits extended because of structural unemployment
Exactly. And then of course there's this as well, to show just how much the Republicans truly care about the "average American":

Republicans block child nutrition bill - Yahoo! News

Yeah, you go ahead, Americans, and keep believing that the Republican Party actually give any sort of a damn about you. That all their statements to you are something more than mere lip service.

It's just so amazing.

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Old 12-02-2010, 07:25 AM   #405
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You know, I've given Obama and the White House the benefit of the doubt, but if they capitulate on tax cuts for the rich I'm officially off the party train. I admire Obama's desire to be a centrist and work with legislators across the aisle, but unfortunately he just keeps going back to the Republican party when they obviously do not want to legislate. It's almost a masochistic relationship at this point.

The only thing that could restore my faith in the White House is if they force a government shutdown in spring.
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