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Old 09-13-2010, 11:07 AM   #226
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"This is a person who is fundamentally out of touch with how the world works, who happened to have played a wonderful con, as a result of which he is now president," Gingrich added.
Riiight, he conned his way into the White House. Sneaky Black Man tricked all us poor white folk, right?

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"I think he worked very hard at being a person who is normal, reasonable, moderate, bipartisan, transparent, accommodating -- none of which was true,"
Tell me, when was the last time the Republican party as a whole acted in moderate, bipartisan, transparent and accommodating ways?

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Gingrich continues. "In the Alinksy tradition, he was being the person he needed to be in order to achieve the position he needed to achieve.
If that's the Alinsky tradition, then every single politician is guilty of the same thing. You said it best, Newt: "It doesn't matter what I do, it matters what I say."

The whole thing just strikes me as incredibly intellectually lazy, since he's essentially parroting what D'Souza said in his article. But, like the right has operated for years, I guess if you repeat the same thing enough times, people will think it's true.
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I tend to ignore trolls.

Anyway, for the sake of history, here´s a couple of statements:

"What’s the difference?"
George W. Bush, 2003-12-16 in an interview with Diane Sawyer, excusing his lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, by claiming that there was no difference between having weapons and wanting to have them.

"Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof — the smoking gun — that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."
George W. Bush, Cincinnati, Ohio, 2002-10-07, on evidence for Iraq’s non-existent nukes.

"The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other.".


You can cherry pick all the different qoutes you want to, it does not change the fact that Saddam was in violation of 17 UN Security Council Resolutions passed under chapter VII rules of the United Nations as well as the 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire agreement.

It does not change the fact that the coalition forces were authorized to use military force to bring about enforcement of the UN Security Council Resolutions as well as the Gulf War Ceacefire agreement.

The US military and coalition forces operated under the same rules that had governed the use of military force against Saddam's regime since 1991.

Unfortunately, it turned out that the only way that the resolutions could be enforced was through the complete removal of Saddam's regime through a coalition invasion of the country.

The only way to insure that Saddam would never invade or attack his neighbors, sieze or destroy the largest source of energy for the planet, develop or acquire new conventional and unconventional weapons, use WMD against his neighbors, was by removing the entire regime through a coalition invasion of the country. The collapse of the sanctions and weapons embargo, the key features of containment policy which was the only other option for dealing with Saddam, made the invasion and removal of the regime a necessity.


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Here´s the effects of the American lie:

* It cried wolf about nuclear war.
* It framed an innocent country.
* It conned the taxpayers of $300+ billion and funneled it to the likes of Halliburton.
* It attempted to steal the second largest oil reserves on the planet worth trillions.
* It sent over 1100 young Americans to their deaths, thinking they were saving America from a nuclear attack, when in reality they were participating in a robbery.
* It sent thousands of Iraqi children and an estimated 150,000 civilians to hideously painful deaths
Wow, more boneheaded European horse dung.
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You're gonna have to homeschool your kids because that is not how the history books will report it.
Maybe the history books written in San Francisco.

But please, explain to everyone George Bush's plan to invade Iraq, while keeping Saddam's regime in power?

The invasion force that was built up in Kuwait was specifically designed to overthrow the regime. This was the objective on March 19, 2003 because it had become the only way to enforce the 17 UN Security Council Resolutions and the 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire agreement all of which Saddam was in violation of.
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Wow, more boneheaded European horse dung.
You're on thin ice as it is, Sting.
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Maybe the history books written in San Francisco.

But please, explain to everyone George Bush's plan to invade Iraq, while keeping Saddam's regime in power?

The invasion force that was built up in Kuwait was specifically designed to overthrow the regime. This was the objective on March 19, 2003 because it had become the only way to enforce the 17 UN Security Council Resolutions and the 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire agreement all of which Saddam was in violation of.
Time for everyone to get back on topic.
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Maybe the history books written in San Francisco.

But please, explain to everyone George Bush's plan to invade Iraq, while keeping Saddam's regime in power?

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You're confusing results with reasons.

But on the other hand there is a second career for you out there:



for you're great at twisting things.
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BVS, you're not helping.
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Sorry, was already responding when you made your post.
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"To disarm Iraq."
"To undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war."
"Our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
- George W. Bush, March 19th, 2003

The military objective was to disarm a country planning to wage war with weapons of mass murder.
Also from George W. Bush, March 19, 2003

"On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war." These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign."

"The enemies you confront will come to know your skill and bravery. The people you liberate will witness the honorable and decent spirit of the American military. In this conflict, America faces an enemy who has no regard for conventions of war or rules of morality. Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops and equipment in civilian areas, attempting to use innocent men, women and children as shields for his own military -- a final atrocity against his people. "



"I want Americans and all the world to know that coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm. A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California could be longer and more difficult than some predict. And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment."


"We come to Iraq with respect for its citizens, for their great civilization and for the religious faiths they practice. We have no ambition in Iraq, except to remove a threat and restore control of that country to its own people. "


So maybe you could explain how Bush planned to "liberate" Iraq without removing Saddam.
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Way to go, Sting.
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You're on thin ice as it is, Sting.
Ah Diemen, let the troll blabber on, I don´t have time for crap anyway. Working with 3 different artists at the moment, all in different production stages.

Back to the topic, I wish Obama good luck while all the world clearly states he does a better job than Bush did.
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Fueling the myth mongering that Barack Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said in a recent interview that the president may follow a "Kenyan, anti-colonial" worldview.
HOW MUCH LONGER ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THIS CRAP?????

Sorry for the caps, but honestly...shut the hell up already about this, people, sheesh.

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"This is a person who is fundamentally out of touch with how the world works, who happened to have played a wonderful con, as a result of which he is now president," Gingrich added.
Oh, gee, yeah, 'cause Im just one of dem stupid folk who was lured in by his bright n' shiny flashy stuff, mmhm.

Or, you know, not. And of course we all know just how in touch with the public Newt is .

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Considering D'Souza's and Gingrich's prominence within conservative intellectual circles
There is such a thing for politicians?

(That was snide. I know)

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"This crushes the hopes of those who thought Gingrich could bring ideas instead of smears to what the GOP was offering," said DNC Press Secretary Hari Sevugan. "He's not a reasonable man that some thought he could be. He's proven he's just like the rest of them. With a worldview shaped by the most radical and fringe elements of the Republican Party, which are more dominant with each passing day."
Um...duh?

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