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Old 06-15-2010, 08:03 PM   #871
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When the President gives an address to the American people from the Oval Office,
you know he is in trouble.
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When Olbermann and Matthews and Fineman at MSNBC are trashing the speech afterward, you know he is in trouble.
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What were they trashing the speech about?
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Speech was too short, Matthews said he didn't project executive control or describe all the executive branch could do, there was no discussion of a potential energy bill, he didn't describe in much detail exactly what he had done so far to display leadership, there wasn't an attempt to raise spirits or project a sense of optimism, there was no explanation of where the 90% cap rate came from...
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Jon Stewart is criticizing too

I missed the speech
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:41 AM   #876
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What were they trashing the speech about?
Some specific quotes:


Olbermann: "It was a great speech if you were on another planet for the last 57 days."

Matthews compared Obama to Carter.

Olbermann: "Nothing specific at all was said."

Matthews: "No direction."

Howard Fineman: "He wasn't specific enough."

Olbermann: "I don't think he aimed low, I don't think he aimed at all. It's startling."

Howard Fineman: Obama should be acting like a "commander-in-chief."

Matthews: Ludicrous that he keeps saying [Secretary of Energy] Chu has a Nobel prize. "I'll barf if he does it one more time."

Matthews: "A lot of meritocracy, a lot of blue ribbon talk."

Matthews: "I don't sense executive command."
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Rep. Steve King: Obama Favors The "Black Person" By Default | Political Correction

Rep. Steve King (R-IA) appeared on the G. Gordon Liddy Show this morning to discuss Arizona's controversial immigration law and accused Attorney General Eric Holder and President Barack Obama — both critics of the legislation — of harboring animosity towards white Americans. Specifically, he accused Obama of having a "default mechanism" that favors "the black person."

King: When you look at this administration, I'm offended by Eric Holder and the President also, their posture. It looks like Eric Holder said that white people in America are cowards when it comes to race. And I don't know what the basis of that is but I'm not a coward when it comes to that and I'm happy to talk about these things and I think we should. But the President has demonstrated that he has a default mechanism in him that breaks down the side of race — on the side that favors the black person.

King misquoted Holder, who did not single out any specific group during a Justice Department event last February:

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards. Though race related issues continue to occupy a significant portion of our political discussion, and though there remain many unresolved racial issues in this nation, we, average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

Moreover, conservatives are wholly obsessed with the idea that Obama — not the racist-sign-wielding nativists who swarm to Tea Party gatherings — has a race problem. The president's supposed bias, to which King has alluded several times, apparently makes him unable to look objectively at issues. His loyalty, according to King, is not to all Americans but to a specific ethnic community. Last month, for example, King asked, "When [Obama] had an Irish cop and a black professor, who did he side with?"
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44 - Jon Stewart: 'What happened to Barry from the block?' (video)
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I miss all the good Daily Show clips being in Canada.

(Comedy Central gets routed to a Canadian site that never has the clips).
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it seems the Left is far more irritated with the President than the right. on NPR, they were interviewing people in a bar in Pensacola, and the Obama supporters were far more disappointed with him than the Obama detractors, most of whom seemed to think there was little he could actually do.

i suppose i'm disappointed that this wasn't a moment where we began a comprehensive program to wean ourselves off of oil, but i blame the American people (or at least some of them) for being childish idiots and the GOP for exploiting this since the 1970s.

the biggest challenge here is not the leak but in drastically altering the nation's energy policy.

good luck with that.

(i'm paraphrasing, but i believe NPR told me this morning that the total amount of oil that has spilled into the ocean so far would be used up by the US economy in 4 minutes)
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Well said, Irvine.

I definitely can see where the left is more disappointed. Obama was supposed to be the guy for their side for a change, and so far he hasn't always been catering to them. Which is bad in some ways, because policy-wise I think it'd be great, but at the same time, he's the president, he can't just cater to one side and one side only. Remember, that's what we didn't like about Bush. Not saying he should support the insane oil love that the right seems to have, 'cause he absolutely shouldn't, but still...

Too short-how long did they expect the speech to be? Optimistic? There's really no good turnaround from this oil spill, so how can we be optimistic about that? We can certainly try and do everything imaginable to avoid another situation like this, but this particular oil spill, there's really not much more we can do. I'll still hope for some miracle in solving that problem, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Sometimes you gotta face reality, horrible as it is. And why bother announcing a new bill? Again, has anyone paid any attention to how Congress operates lately? Good luck getting any sort of seriously decent energy bill through right now. I definitely think Obama should push for one, but let's see it actually survive a battle with Congress, and then we'll talk.

Yes, Obama should be taking as much executive charge as he should, but did everyone forget that on election night he said he wanted us ALL to work together? We can't expect Obama to wave a wand and solve all our problems, if the left is tired of the crap going on, then we have to get behind him and actually, you know, help him out. I think the left just seems to expect that Obama will come in and boom, all our problems are over. Well, it doesn't work that way. He needs our help, as well as help from the right, if they'd get off their "Obama's a racist/socialist/communist/illegal citizen" crap for once. Change does not come overnight. It does take some time. And effort. And cooperation. And patience. The Bush supporters, for all the issues I had with their policies, got out there and fought hard for whatever Bush wanted. Now it's time for the Obama supporters to do the same for Obama.

Also, Steve King, knock it off, please. Seriously. Just...shut up.

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it seems the Left is far more irritated with the President than the right. on NPR, they were interviewing people in a bar in Pensacola, and the Obama supporters were far more disappointed with him than the Obama detractors, most of whom seemed to think there was little he could actually do.
That is the scary, bizarre thing about all of this.
Obama will likely take a bigger hit from the left.

The public mood, perception is not all that enlightened. In this day an age, people are lazy, they get a little information and just kind of intuit the rest.

Their gut feeling is this just wasn't handled the best way it could have been.
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yes, obama should be taking as much executive charge as he should, but did everyone forget that on election night he said he wanted us all to work together? We can't expect obama to wave a wand and solve all our problems, if the left is tired of the crap going on, then we have to get behind him and actually, you know, help him out. I think the left just seems to expect that obama will come in and boom, all our problems are over. Well, it doesn't work that way. He needs our help, as well as help from the right, if they'd get off their "obama's a racist/socialist/communist/illegal citizen" crap for once. Change does not come overnight. It does take some time. And effort. And cooperation. And patience. The bush supporters, for all the issues i had with their policies, got out there and fought hard for whatever bush wanted. Now it's time for the obama supporters to do the same for obama.
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