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Old 05-02-2010, 03:15 PM   #751
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I think the thing you and your friends have to ask is would McCain and Palin be doing a better or worse situation given the circumstances?

If one sat back and "let the market heal itself" would we be in a better position?

We know if Palin had any say that we'd already be in war with Iran...
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I think the thing you and your friends have to ask is would McCain and Palin be doing a better or worse situation given the circumstances?

If one sat back and "let the market heal itself" would we be in a better position?

We know if Palin had any say that we'd already be in war with Iran...
None of us are wishing McCain and Palin won. Neither one of us liked them.

But Obama is the president, that is what matters now. He's not doing much about the job crisis, that is quite obvious to my friends and I.
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None of us are wishing McCain and Palin won. Neither one of us liked them.

But Obama is the president, that is what matters now. He's not doing much about the job crisis, that is quite obvious to my friends and I.
He spent $800 billion on a 'stimulus' bill.
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So where are the jobs?
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We can play 'what if' until the cows come home, but we also can't speculate that it would have been any better under McCain.
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So where are the jobs?
What else could any other administration have done?
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My point is that Obama is doing little to combat the job problem. Instead, he tackled health care, which should've come after the employment crisis was solved. There's plenty of people who feel this way.

You seem to be saying, BVS, that my friends and I should accept the lack of jobs out there and accept our degrading positions working menial jobs in the meantime.
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So where are the jobs?
Good question.

Economists say the stimulus didn't help - Apr. 26, 2010

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The recovery is picking up steam as employers boost payrolls, but economists think the government's stimulus package and jobs bill had little to do with the rebound, according to a survey released Monday.

In latest quarterly survey by the National Association for Business Economics, the index that measures employment showed job growth for the first time in two years -- but a majority of respondents felt the fiscal stimulus had no impact.

NABE conducted the study by polling 68 of its members who work in economic roles at private-sector firms. About 73% of those surveyed said employment at their company is neither higher nor lower as a result of the $787 billion Recovery Act, which the White House's Council of Economic Advisers says is on track to create or save 3.5 million jobs by the end of the year.
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We can play 'what if' until the cows come home, but we also can't speculate that it would have been any better under McCain.
People like to speculate

I will speculate that things would be going better with President Hillary,

I don't think the tea partiers, would be quite as strident, and I think there may have be a wee bit more bipartisanship.
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We can play 'what if' until the cows come home, but we also can't speculate that it would have been any better under McCain.
I didn't say things would've been better if McCain were elected. I did mention that I didn't like him. I didn't even vote for him.
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Yeah, but to say you regret voting for Obama, makes me think that the alternative was to have voted for McCain, and who's to say we wouldn't be here asking the same questions?

I just made the correlation to be that "I regret voting for Obama" equals "wish I'd voted for the other guy."

Not what you meant?

"I'm disappointed in Obama" is one thing, but if that's what you meant, then yeah, obviously my comment doesn't apply.
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People like to speculate

I will speculate that things would be going better with President Hillary
I agree.

She's pragmatic, much like her husband was.
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If you read my initial post, I said I didn't vote for Obama because I was skeptical of him. Now since I admit I didn't vote for McCain, that means I didn't vote for either one. I am too cynical of politicians to believe their campaigns.

When I talk about the regret for voting for Obama, that comes from my friends who do not have regular, full time jobs. They were the ones who voted for Obama, hoping he would turn around the employment crisis. But he hasn't.
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My point is that Obama is doing little to combat the job problem. Instead, he tackled health care, which should've come after the employment crisis was solved. There's plenty of people who feel this way.

You seem to be saying, BVS, that my friends and I should accept the lack of jobs out there and accept our degrading positions working menial jobs in the meantime.
I'm saying like Cori, we can play "what if" and speculate all we want...

If seeing little results equals "doing little" then you're right.

I for one am a little more practical and knew that finding or creating jobs in this environment would be next to impossible.

I can't speculate that anyone would have done much of a better job. We are in tough times, times that are similar to times we've had in the past but also very unique and never seen before... There is no playbook and anyone that tells you differently is a liar.
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