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Old 11-21-2009, 10:12 PM   #61
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These people are insane.
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No, there is no such thing as right wing extremists...

This IS the insanity that Glenn Beck is feeding, and many of the tea baggers are falling into...
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:48 PM   #63
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so Obama's approval rating is ahead of Clinton and about on par with Regan
At this point it is. Will it go lower in 2 months, 4 months?

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and he's facing the worst economic climate since the 1930s
Well, its hard to say that with GDP growing at a 3.5% rate in the third quarter.

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enormous deficits handed to him by the previous administration
They were big in January, but they have grown considerably since Obama has been in office, and it looks they like they will keep growing for some time under Obama's current plans.

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along with two failed wars.
Well, if you look at Iraq, the threat of Saddam was removed in 2003, and the country despite the violence since then has been steadily rebuilding and developing. Obama has followed Bush policy 100% on Iraq. Violence is down to levels lower than in the United States, economic growth has shot up, the Iraqi military is in the lead all over the country and doing a good job at providing security, with the continued success in these area's more US troops will be able to leave Iraq. This is NOT a failure, this is a success. Its especially a success in light of your own statements and predictions that "Iraq could not function as a country and needed to be partitioned", that "Iraq is a civil war" that "the United States military is incapable of resolving the problems" etc. etc. In light of such predictions and statements, Iraq is currently a great success.

Afghanistan has turned out to be a more longterm problem do to, Afghanistan's more undeveloped society, the Taliban safe havens in Pakistan and Pakistans own problems. Although the situation has recently worsened with the Taliban, it would be inaccurate to call the war a failure. Obama can succeed here provided he listens to Bush's Secretary Of Defense instead of the hardcore liberals who pushed for and got him elected.

I think Obama is doing a good job at this time, but a lot of other people do not.

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2012 should be a breeze for him.
That will depend on conditions in 2012. Will Obama try to claim he won the Iraq war? The War in Afghanistan? What will the unemployment rate be at in October 2012 just before the election? Will it be lower than it was in November 2008 when he got elected? Will the average American in 2012 think the past 4 years under Obama was better for them than the previous four years under Bush?

Bush's last year in office, 2008, the annual unemployment rate was 5.8%. The annual unemployment rate for Obama's first year in office is likely to be 9.3%. Will any of Obama's years in office be able to match any of the 8 years Bush was in office in terms of annual unemployment? In order to match Bush's worst year for unemployment, Obama will have to bring unemployment down below 6%.

If unemployment is 7% or 8% in 2012, its unlikely that it will be a breeze for him to be re-elected.

Obama definitely has time, but he does not have forever. Plus, this time, he will have to actually run on his record. The grand speeches that worked in 2008 won't work in 2012. Obama won't be able to run as the "change" candidate in 2012 either.
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Well, I do agree with steps 1 and 2...and so do many Democrats...
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Well, I do agree with steps 1 and 2...and so do many Democrats...
Oh really? You agree with not paying your taxes, and so do a lot of Dems?
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:19 PM   #66
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He's down some more in Gallup Poll:

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

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Say all you want about the liberal reaction to Bush's disputed election and subsequent reelection, but this level of disloyalty bordering on treason has no comparison.

And I thought I'd seen it all during the Clinton Administration.
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Say all you want about the liberal reaction to Bush's disputed election and subsequent reelection, but this level of disloyalty bordering on treason has no comparison.

And I thought I'd seen it all during the Clinton Administration.
Bill Clinton was still a white guy from Arkansas.
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Oh really? You agree with not paying your taxes, and so do a lot of Dems?
I thought "the beast" was referring to the consumer-based economic system
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I thought "the beast" was referring to the consumer-based economic system
even though the billboard clearly states it is a reference to government?
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"starve the beast" came out of the 80s -- essentially, some of the anti-government fanatics wanted to cut taxes so low that they would have to shut down the Department of Labor, Department of Education, Department of Housing, etc.
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can you imagine the outrage if this happened at any time during dubya's presidency? oh my god, the firing squads would be out.
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"starve the beast" came out of the 80s -- essentially, some of the anti-government fanatics wanted to cut taxes so low that they would have to shut down the Department of Labor, Department of Education, Department of Housing, etc.

Thanks for clarifying. I do support tax reform - not revolution.
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even though the billboard clearly states it is a reference to government?
I've heard similar mantras on CNBC referring to changing the whole system by voting with your dollar (save money, avoid debt....) as well as voting out the incumbents of both political parties. However, these discussions did not include actual revolution - just change.
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"starve the beast" came out of the 80s -- essentially, some of the anti-government fanatics wanted to cut taxes so low that they would have to shut down the Department of Labor, Department of Education, Department of Housing, etc.
Department of Defense?
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