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Old 02-03-2010, 05:41 PM   #421
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My mother is a moderate-conservative. She found Palin appalling and embarrassing to her as a woman.
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Old 02-03-2010, 05:51 PM   #422
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A new poll of more than 2,000 self-identified Republican voters illustrates the incredible paranoia enveloping the party and the intense pressure drawing lawmakers further and further away from political moderation.

The numbers speak for themselves -- a large portion of GOP voters think that President Obama is racist, socialist or a non-US citizen -- though, when considering them, it is important to note that a disproportionate percentage of respondents are from GOP strongholds in the South (42 percent) as opposed to the Northeast (11 percent). Also note that this is a poll of self-identified Republicans, which means that independent Tea Party types are not included.

Nevertheless here are some of the standout figures as provided by Daily Kos/Research 2000:

* 39 percent of Republicans believe Obama should be impeached, 29 percent are not sure, 32 percent said he should not be voted out of office.

* 36 percent of Republicans believe Obama was not born in the United States, 22 percent are not sure, 42 percent think he is a natural citizen.

* 31 percent of Republicans believe Obama is a "Racist who hates White people" -- the description once adopted by Fox News's Glenn Beck. 33 percent were not sure, and 36 percent said he was not a racist.

* 63 percent of Republicans think Obama is a socialist, 16 percent are not sure, 21 percent say he is not

* 24 percent of Republicans believe Obama wants "the terrorists to win," 33 percent aren't sure, 43 percent said he did not want the terrorist to win.

* 21 percent of Republicans believe ACORN stole the 2008 election, 55 percent are not sure, 24 percent said the community organizing group did not steal the election.

* 23 percent of Republicans believe that their state should secede from the United States, 19 percent aren't sure, 58 percent said no.

* 53 percent of Republicans said they believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama.

During his appearance at the House Republican retreat last Friday, Obama explained that it was hard to forge bipartisan consensus when lawmakers were trashing his health care bill as a "Bolshevik plot". These poll numbers show that the gulf preventing bipartisan consensus extends well beyond health care. How does a Republican lawmaker explain to his or her die-hard base that it is important to work on legislation with a racist, socialist president who is illegally holding office only because of the help of ACORN?

"This is why it's becoming impossible for elected Republicans to work with Democrats to improve our country," said Markos Moulitsas, founder and publisher of Daily Kos. "They are a party beholden to conspiracy theorists who don't even believe Obama was born in the United States, and already want to impeach him despite a glaring lack of scandal or wrongdoing. They think Obama is racist against white people and the second coming of Lenin. And if any of them stray and decide to do the right thing and try to work in a bipartisan fashion, they suffer primaries and attacks. Given what their base demands -- and this poll illustrates them perfectly -- it's no wonder the GOP is the party of no."
Good find. Speaks for itself.

This should show perfectly how the Republicans are the extreme and Democrats the center now. That is pretty indisputable.

Not only do we have the polling of the Republican base to show this, we have Republican members of Congress who have advanced some form of each of the conspiracies mentioned above.

Especially with respect to the birth certificate and socialism. Then there was the whole ACORN thing repeated over and over again by Boehner. How the hell could ACORN steal a landslide?

These people are absolutely insane. How could a Republican Congress person question where the President was born? They are all familiar with the law. They know Obama travels overseas, and in order to do so, you need to have a passport, which by the way, requires a birth certificate to obtain. Obama released his birth certificate during the campaign.

These Republicans have no intention of seeking bipartisan cooperation, and Obama has been clear from day 1 about seeking out their support. Yet the sad reality is if you ask most people, they will say Obama is the hyper partisan one.
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This should show perfectly how the Republicans are the extreme and Democrats the center now. That is pretty indisputable.
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Certainly not in MA, Virginia of NJ.
It is only Feb. But if things don't change. In Nov the independents will break for the GOP, decisively.
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Old 02-03-2010, 06:39 PM   #424
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Where??
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Certainly not in MA, Virginia of NJ.
It is only Feb. But if things don't change. In Nov the independents will break for the GOP, decisively.
No, not on interference.com.

In terms of POLICY.

Look at the things in that poll.

Are those mainstream views?

Look at the things Obama has proposed. The health care plan is in fact a centrist plan, not a government takeover. It is the Republicans in Congress running away from common sense things like budget deficit commissions, pay as you go, reducing farm subsidies, etc. They would rather lie, just like their supporters.

This is what I was talking about, POLICY. The elections have nothing to do with whether POLICIES AND BELIEFS ARE CENTRIST OR NOT.

It is an issue of voter trends vs the nature of policies.

Now, Deep, we have been through this before:

NJ and Virginia- State elections, decided on state issues. The only election in 2009 with any federal implications, NY 23, a Democrat won.

Massachusetts: I explained this to you as well. The exit polls do not back up the GOP assertion that Brown voters put him there to kill Obama's agenda. Someone here even linked an article to that effect.

You are right- it is only February- still a long time for voters to see the GOP obstruction agenda out in full force. The voters do not like obstruction either. I remind you, the Republicans in Congress still have lower approval ratings than Obama, by far.

Democrats have some work to do, especially with independents, but they are volatile by nature and generally vote based on whether they "feel" things are good or not. So the incumbents get blamed, whether they deserve it or not. Most people do not care about the long view, nor do they understand how we got into this mess and how getting out of it is going to be an inevitably slow and difficult process, no matter who is in office.

Whatever, I don't put alot of stock in the "most people" equation anyway, as most people can't tell you what is in the 1st amendment and most people think Judge Judy is a Supreme Court Justice.

We'll just see what happens in November.
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Certainly not in MA, Virginia of NJ.
It is only Feb. But if things don't change. In Nov the independents will break for the GOP, decisively.
No no, just wait until the independents see a few more Daily Kos polls. That will change some minds !!!
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I might briefly bring up my old hobby horse and note that voluntary voting does tend to drag politics far from the centre. In Australia, a party like the GOP, talking only red meat to its 'base' like that... would be headed for oblivion. Utter wipeout.
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Good find. Speaks for itself.

This should show perfectly how the Republicans are the extreme and Democrats the center now. That is pretty indisputable.

Not only do we have the polling of the Republican base to show this, we have Republican members of Congress who have advanced some form of each of the conspiracies mentioned above.

Especially with respect to the birth certificate and socialism. Then there was the whole ACORN thing repeated over and over again by Boehner. How the hell could ACORN steal a landslide?

These people are absolutely insane. How could a Republican Congress person question where the President was born? They are all familiar with the law. They know Obama travels overseas, and in order to do so, you need to have a passport, which by the way, requires a birth certificate to obtain. Obama released his birth certificate during the campaign.

These Republicans have no intention of seeking bipartisan cooperation, and Obama has been clear from day 1 about seeking out their support. Yet the sad reality is if you ask most people, they will say Obama is the hyper partisan one.
That poll is so completely phony it's laughable that people are taking it seriously. It's done by the Kos, whose founder invented this poll to put in his new book focused on comparing the Republican Party and the Taliban. It's made up...

Even if you buy that it's real, Kos/Research2000 have gotten so many polls so incredibly wrong that their operation has no credibility left whatsoever if it ever had any to begin with.
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I'd like to see a "legitimate" poll on this topic, then. Because most of that seems really, really realistic.
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I'd like to see a "legitimate" poll on this topic, then. Because most of that seems really, really realistic.
i wonder if there's a fox news poll that can be believed.
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I'd like to see a "legitimate" poll on this topic, then. Because most of that seems really, really realistic.
not to mention it's not the first poll that's made similar claims. i'd love to know what the 39% believe obama has done to be impeached.
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That poll is so completely phony it's laughable that people are taking it seriously. It's done by the Kos, whose founder invented this poll to put in his new book focused on comparing the Republican Party and the Taliban. It's made up...


like Rassmussen?
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That poll is so completely phony it's laughable that people are taking it seriously. It's done by the Kos, whose founder invented this poll to put in his new book focused on comparing the Republican Party and the Taliban. It's made up...

Even if you buy that it's real, Kos/Research2000 have gotten so many polls so incredibly wrong that their operation has no credibility left whatsoever if it ever had any to begin with.
A few things:

1.)Research 2000 did the poll for daily kos, it was not a joint effort. There is no historical kos/r2000 operation like you suggest. Show me where research 2000 has gotten anything laughably wrong or used phony methodology. All polling companies have gotten plenty of things wrong in the past, nature of the business. Its like saying "the weatherman was wrong 50% of the time, fire his ass!" They are not a poll that has a reputation for bad faith methods or shoddy work, unless there is something you can tell us about this.

2.)Any site that has a bias can not automatically be discounted. Alot of liberal and conservative sites/publications(not fox news or move on) come up pretty clean on the facts. Daily Kos has their views, but their not notorious for butchering the facts like say, Rush or O'Reilly.

3.)This poll is of self identified Republicans. The methodology was published. Tell us where the problem is. What makes it laughable? What part are you ready to deny? The self identified Republicans part? The numbers? It was a pretty simple, straightforward, few-dimension poll. Funny thing is this poll has been widely reported by legitimate news agencies and I can not find anything rebutting it with a google search. Maybe you can point us in the right direction?

4.)Where is any of this inconsistent with what we are hearing from Republicans on the street and in Congress? Are you really ready to deny that a plurality of Republicans think ACORN stole the election, or that Obama is a socialist? How about the birth certificate? Obama had to create a whole website dedicated to rebutting these claims they are so widespread. This has been repeated so many times now that you even have Democrats thinking that the health care bill is "socialized medicine." This poll would be, and probably has been replicated everywhere. I know it already has been with respect to Sarah Palin- she is coming in as the 2012 favorite.

No doubt, most Republicans think an imbecile like Sarah Palin(as opposed to highly intelligent Republicans like Crist, Pawlenty, Tom Ridge, Orrin Hatch, John Warner, Colin Powell, Chuck Hagel, Dick Lugar,etc) is more qualified than Obama. Their votes said as much during the campaign. Not many Democrats voted McCain, and almost all Republicans did.

So given what I said above, the burden is on you to tell us where it is made up. Don't just assert.
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not to mention it's not the first poll that's made similar claims. i'd love to know what the 39% believe obama has done to be impeached.
The same thing Clinton did to get impeached: nothing.

I know I'll get people coming back at me saying he lied to congress, etc, but what the hell were they doing wasting our money investigating his penis in the 1st place? Unprecedented, I may add.

For Conservative men of supposedly strict sexual mores, I have never seen people so obsessed with a sex act between 2 consenting adults.

I fault Clinton for being deceptive the whole time about Monica, but its not something that Congress had any business investigating in the first place.

Bill Clinton should have sat in the oval office, looked right into the camera, said "I admit it, I was wrong, I have human flaws like everyone else and I ask for your forgiveness and respect for my privacy as Hillary and I work this out."
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not to mention it's not the first poll that's made similar claims. i'd love to know what the 39% believe obama has done to be impeached.
no fucking way. i just made a fox news joke. are there really that many retards out there? jesus fuck. give up america. you're fucked.
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The same thing Clinton did to get impeached: nothing.

I know I'll get people coming back at me saying he lied to congress, etc, but what the hell were they doing wasting our money investigating his penis in the 1st place? Unprecedented, I may add.

For Conservative men of supposedly strict sexual mores, I have never seen people so obsessed with a sex act between 2 consenting adults.

I fault Clinton for being deceptive the whole time about Monica, but its not something that Congress had any business investigating in the first place.

Bill Clinton should have sat in the oval office, looked right into the camera, said "I admit it, I was wrong, I have human flaws like everyone else and I ask for your forgiveness and respect for my privacy as Hillary and I work this out."
i totally agree. in fact i almost mentioned this in my post, but decided not to, which is good anyway as you put it much more eloquently than i would've.

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no fucking way. i just made a fox news joke. are there really that many retards out there? jesus fuck. give up america. you're fucked.
why do you think i want to move there? go green party of aotearoa new zealand!
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