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Old 01-24-2010, 11:38 PM   #331
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Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval - 01/24/2010

Approve: 48%
Disapprove: 47%

This marks a new high in disapproval for Obama.

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his first year average approval is the same as Reagan and ahead of Clinton's

They both got reelected.


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his first year average approval is the same as Reagan and ahead of Clinton's

They both got reelected.


You could also say his first year average approval is LESS than Carter or Bush Sr.. They both failed to be re-elected.
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Sounds like the argument for Obamacare. We can only fix the problems in health care caused by government inefficiency, regulations, mandates and market distortions with MORE government inefficiency, regulations, mandates and market distortions.
That's what they always say.

If you think it's Obama then you have been as misled as everyone else. Just like they want you and everyone to believe , you have no solution, no power so you stand behind a party that sets out to destroy anyone or any plan/reform because it wasn't introduced by doesn't sit well for them.
I'm not speaking of any particular party because to say one party has the answer is fucked.
Both parties are fucking us.

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it appears as if Obama has made the mistake of speaking to the American people as if they are adults.
And it appears that some of the adults don't like it.
He's in for so much more shit. But if change can come it's going to be because the majority of adults do give a shit.
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Sounds like the argument for Obamacare. We can only fix the problems in health care caused by government inefficiency, regulations, mandates and market distortions with MORE government inefficiency, regulations, mandates and market distortions.
If we keep the same government inefficiency

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it appears as if Obama has made the mistake of speaking to the American people as if they are adults.
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Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval - 01/24/2010

Approve: 48%
Disapprove: 47%

This marks a new high in disapproval for Obama.

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You could also say his first year average approval is LESS than Carter or Bush Sr.. They both failed to be re-elected.
Which goes to show that posting stats doesn't necessarily bolster your case when differing (and yet equally true) conclusions can be drawn from them.
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First of all, anyone that says that a PUSA doesn't have an ego doesn't have a clue, secondly those in the media that are making an issue of his ego should look in the fucking mirror once in awhile. Thirdly, conservatives are losing all concept of context, it's pretty sad.
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it appears as if Obama has made the mistake of speaking to the American people as if they are adults.
That's not a joke. There is one clear truth in politics. Every politician knows it. Every pundit knows it. And every journalist knows it. But nobody can ever say it.

It's that people are, for the most part, stupid. Obama would do well to dumb down his communication a bit. I'm not saying he has to start talking like a tea bagger, but he should cut down on the professorial tone a bit.
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People today think like the stock market. What matters are the quarterly reports. Everything that is long-term: no chance. Results need to show immediately.
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I'm not saying he has to start talking like a tea bagger, but he should cut down on the professorial tone a bit.


i sadly agree.

one of my big reasons for supporting BHO over HRC was that i thought the Right would go batshit insane with her in office, that we'd relive the worst aspects of the 1990s and it would be injected with misogyny. i thought BHO would be able to rise above it all and be genuinely bipartisan.

clearly, this hasn't happened. there is certainly some validity to blaming this on the absolutely mindboggling intransigence of the GOP, likely rooted in the fear of being challenged from the right in the primaries by the tea baggers. let's not forget where the tea baggers came from -- they were originally the birthers, the people who think that BHO is Kenyan or something. the movement has expanded, but it's core is absolutely racist and predicated upon the Palin-induced sense of "real Americans" being left behind by the new America. it's all coded, and it's all subtext -- except when it isn't -- but this is part of the problem. and it's made the GOP absolutely incoherent. they are concerned about Medicaid bankrupting the country and yet want to increase spending on Medicaid. they think they can reduce deficits by cutting taxes but not spending on things like Medicaid, defense, etc.

however, there has to be some fault with the White House. he's been presiding over DC like it's a classroom. what the Clintons have, and will always have, and that he seems to lack, is a mean streak and a joy taken from watching the scalps pile up. it's to his credit as a person, but perhaps to his detriment as an effective POTUS, and especially in a news climate in a country that has absolutely no memory at all. absolutely everything that Obama is dealing with right now -- Iran, Iraq, deficits, the housing crisis, Wall Street -- is Bush's fault. it is. there's no two ways around that. if/when Iraq's elections start to go haywire, Obama will be blamed.

so he's got to get mean. he's got to start slitting throats.
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Let me guess. The president didn't want to run the student loan industry. Why, he has enough on his plate fixing the economy, creating and saving jobs, managing two wars, reforming health care, overseeing the two car companies he didn't want to run either ...
Here is INDY again with the exact same BS I already told him was wrong.

If he had read the entire article he links, the things I mentioned to him before would become clear.

Obama is NOT TAKING OVER THE ENTIRE STUDENT LOAN INDUSTRY. He is simply getting rid of the Federal Family Education Loan Program, which sets interests rates and provides subsidies to make private lenders whole. All this is saying is that, to the extent the federal government is involved in student loans, it will be done through the already existing direct lending program. We will no longer be subsidizing the middle man, which costs a significant amount of money. IF AS I SAID BEFORE, A STUDENT LOAN COMPANY, A PRIVATE BANK, WHAT HAVE YOU CAN EXIST WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES THEY ARE GETTING NOW, THEN GREAT. OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THEM OVER OR SHUT THEM DOWN. IF THEY CANT EXIST W/O GOVERNMENT CONTROL AND SUBSIDY AND THEY GO UNDER, THEN GREAT THAT IS CAPITALISM, NOT CENTRAL PLANNING NOT SOCIALISM. ALL OBAMA IS DOING IS CUTTING OUT THE MIDDLE MAN IN THE ALREADY EXISTING FEDERAL STUDENT LOAN PROGRAM FOR AN OMB PROJECTED 10 YEAR SAVINGS TO MR AND MRS TAXPAYER OF $47.9 BILLION.

How brainwashed do you have to be to believe that an American President, in a country that has been capitalist and successfully capitalist for 234 years, has any interest in controlling our major industries? We talked about the car companies before, too. Bush took them over, and Obama set the strict conditions that led to their bankruptcy and emergence as companies that are paying us back.

Again, where is your or anyone else's evidence that Obama is some kind of stealth socialist who wants to take over the entire private economy? He has never said anything to that effect, never suggested doing anything to that effect and the people he has hired as economic advisers are all centrists and avowed capitalists. Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, Peter Orszag, Melody Barnes, Christina Romer, Austan Goolsbee, Ron Kirk. Look them up.

Before the right wing spin machine got their hands on Obama, he was seen across the board as a moderate Democrat. Republicans praised him, Democrats praised him, business praised him, cops praised him, the list goes on.
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i sadly agree.

let's not forget where the tea baggers came from -- they were originally the birthers, the people who think that BHO is Kenyan or something.
I think a much better case could be made that Bush Derangement Syndrome had its genesis in the Florida decision. Hatred for the man from Day 1.

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so he's got to get mean. he's got to start slitting throats.
That would kinda play into the "secret Muslim" thing wouldn't it?
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i sadly agree.

one of my big reasons for supporting BHO over HRC was that i thought the Right would go batshit insane with her in office, that we'd relive the worst aspects of the 1990s and it would be injected with misogyny. i thought BHO would be able to rise above it all and be genuinely bipartisan.

clearly, this hasn't happened. there is certainly some validity to blaming this on the absolutely mindboggling intransigence of the GOP, likely rooted in the fear of being challenged from the right in the primaries by the tea baggers. let's not forget where the tea baggers came from -- they were originally the birthers, the people who think that BHO is Kenyan or something. the movement has expanded, but it's core is absolutely racist and predicated upon the Palin-induced sense of "real Americans" being left behind by the new America. it's all coded, and it's all subtext -- except when it isn't -- but this is part of the problem. and it's made the GOP absolutely incoherent. they are concerned about Medicaid bankrupting the country and yet want to increase spending on Medicaid. they think they can reduce deficits by cutting taxes but not spending on things like Medicaid, defense, etc.

however, there has to be some fault with the White House. he's been presiding over DC like it's a classroom. what the Clintons have, and will always have, and that he seems to lack, is a mean streak and a joy taken from watching the scalps pile up. it's to his credit as a person, but perhaps to his detriment as an effective POTUS, and especially in a news climate in a country that has absolutely no memory at all. absolutely everything that Obama is dealing with right now -- Iran, Iraq, deficits, the housing crisis, Wall Street -- is Bush's fault. it is. there's no two ways around that. if/when Iraq's elections start to go haywire, Obama will be blamed.

so he's got to get mean. he's got to start slitting throats.
A lot of good stuff here

Yes, you are 100% right. The lessons are there to be learned from 1993/1994. The Republicans, for whatever reason, are hell bent on opposing lockstep anything Obama proposes, just as they were with Clinton.

The contradictions- cut taxes/raise spending, tea party origins, etc you mentioned, all spot on.

In the Democratic Primary, I supported Biden, my #2 was Richardson, then Obama, then Hillary.

Exactly 2 years and 2 days ago when I first posted on interference, antitram mentioned that they were going for Hillary because, if nothing else, she will not let the Republicans pick her apart. She knows how to deal with them, and she knows they are not playing. Not only that, she likes to mix it up and watch them go down. On 1/23/08, I had already absentee voted Biden in the primary and I still preferred Obama to HRC in the long run. However, on that day, and I think it was just for a day, I was pulling for Hillary. You posted right under me with the same "slitting the throats" point! 2 years goes by fast!

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