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Old 12-10-2009, 05:07 PM   #211
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A new poll released by Public Policy Polling Wednesday introduced some surprising numbers.

Thirty-five percent of Republicans said that they would support impeaching Obama for his actions so far, though there is no indication of what specific "actions" they think could potentially merit impeachment. Twenty percent of all respondents were in favor of impeachment.

"I'm not clear exactly what 'high crimes and misdemeanors' they are using to justify that position but there may be a certain segment of voters on both the right and the left these days that simply think the President doing things they don't agree with is grounds for removal from office," said pollster Tom Jensen. Dave Weigel notes that a lot of the opposition to Obama has included rhetoric about supposed violations of the Constitution.

In addition, 44% of voters said they'd rather have George W. Bush back in the White House. That percentage is strangely higher than Bush's approval rating over the majority of his second term. Guess you don't know what you got 'til it's gone.

The highly contentious issues in the air -- health care reform, war, climate change -- are bound to prompt disagreement and discontentment that could trigger some odd responses. According to a survey taken in late September, 42% of Republicans did not believe that Obama was born in the United States:

"42 percent of Republicans believe that President Obama was not born in the United States, while 22 percent still remain uncertain of his birthplace origin. On the flip side, the poll also finds that 25 percent of Democrats believe that George W. Bush intentionally allowed the September 11th attacks to occur to serve as a catalyst for a war in the Middle East."
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So only 35% of Republicans are complete imbeciles?

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sorry, make that 42% of Republicans...
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Interesting that a thread about Obama does not mention his speech today in accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. A good speech, but again one that the liberal base of the Democratic party was not really happy about.
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They're dithering.
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Interesting that a thread about Obama does not mention his speech today in accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. A good speech, but again one that the liberal base of the Democratic party was not really happy about.
Interesting that the speech was today, and some of us may have been at work/busy so we may not have seen it and thus could not comment on it.

I have not seen the speech, but read some excerpts. And some of the reaction on the left that I've read has been mixed, admittedly, although this was interesting from Time columnist Joe Klein: "an intellectually rigorous and morally lucid speech that balanced the rationale for going to war against the need to build a more peaceful and equitable world.”

As a liberal, I agree with that. I will also say this: it's nice to have a President, unlike the previous one, who does not pander to his respective party's base.
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Interesting that the speech was today, and some of us may have been at work/busy so we may not have seen it and thus could not comment on it.

I have not seen the speech, but read some excerpts. And some of the reaction on the left that I've read has been mixed, admittedly, although this was interesting from Time columnist Joe Klein: "an intellectually rigorous and morally lucid speech that balanced the rationale for going to war against the need to build a more peaceful and equitable world.”

As a liberal, I agree with that. I will also say this: it's nice to have a President, unlike the previous one, who does not pander to his respective party's base.
I've not seen the speech either, just some brief excerpts as well. I agree its great that Obama is definitely not pandering to his party's base especially when it comes to issues of national security.

But I wonder if the fact that he is not would explain the relative absence of commentary by members of the forum on both this and his speech on Afghanistan last week?
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So is this a statement about Obama's speech today?
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So is this a statement about Obama's speech today?
I could listen to him all day long on pretty much any topic and get all warm and fuzzy.

At the end of the day though, talk is cheap.
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I could listen to him all day long on pretty much any topic and get all warm and fuzzy.

At the end of the day though, talk is cheap.
So what you posted was directed toward the speech?
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^ Not in particular, no. But it fits.
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Interesting that a thread about Obama does not mention his speech today in accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. A good speech, but again one that the liberal base of the Democratic party was not really happy about.


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They're dithering.

I'm not dithering. I don't disagree with Obama's position on Afghanistan. I never have.

So what would there be for me to complain about? Sorry, but your stereotyping of the liberals on this forum doesn't apply here.
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Sorry, but your stereotyping of the liberals on this forum doesn't apply here.


but it's the only way they can make a point. some people have to create imaginary positions taken by imaginary people in order for their analysis-free recitation of "facts" to have any semblance of coherence.

i've been in a vortex for the past few days, but from what i read, Obama's speech was entirely appropriate for who he is, what he is doing, and where he was going.

it could be that the Left doesn't fall all over themselves trying to defend and rationalize everything that Obama might do that they disagree with in the same way that the Right had a pathological need to explain away every time GWB got drunk and drove the SUV on the neighbor's lawn.

and thus, i've made my meta-point.
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I've not seen the speech either,
Wow...

If you build the strawman they will come.
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Interesting that a thread about Obama does not mention his speech today in accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. A good speech, but again one that the liberal base of the Democratic party was not really happy about.
Didn't have time to pay attention to the news yesterday. Sometimes the simplest explanation really is the best.
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