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Old 12-04-2009, 09:03 PM   #196
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That's funny diamond, because if you read the poll you posted, a strong majority of Americans agree with Obama's plan to send more troops.

But given how bitterly partisan this country is and how utterly opposed the Republicans are to anything Obama does, I wouldn't be surprised.
Of course they support it, and they would have supported 50K troops for being there until the war was won even more, instead of 30K troops for 18 months. Americans know that at least something has to be done instead of sitting our hands. Americans also agree it's a bad decision to allow a time table and by doing so he's setting us up to lose, and things will not be better in Afghanistan-idiot!

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21. And regardless of how you feel about the plan to start removing troops in 2011, do you think it was
a good idea or a bad idea for Obama to announce that policy at this time?
Dec. 2-3
2009
Good idea 39%
Bad idea 59%
No opinion 2%
22. And just your best guess -- do you think conditions in Afghanistan will or will not be good enough
in the summer of 2011 for the U.S. to start removing troops?
Dec. 2-3
2009
Conditions will be good enough 33%
Conditions will not be good enough 61%
No opinion 6%
The general made a request for at least 40,000 w no time table, and the coward in chief only posing as a commander in chief has left our military in the lurch, cutting back 10,000 soldiers.

So lets see where we're at a year from now, once this policy fails, just like the stimulus and other misguided notions.

President Obama is weaker then circus lemonade.

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The general made a request for at least 40,000 w no time table, and the coward in chief only posing as a commander in chief has left our military in the lurch.

So lets see where we're at a year from now, once this policy fails, just like the stimulus and other misguided notions.

President Obama is weaker then circus lemonade.

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The general made a request for at least 40,000 w no time table, and the coward in chief only posing as a commander in chief has left our military in the lurch, cutting back 10,000 soldiers.

So lets see where we're at a year from now, once this policy fails, just like the stimulus and other misguided notions.

President Obama is weaker then circus lemonade.
are you privy to any information regarding why the president chose to send 30,000 instead of 40,000 troops? please, do reveal said info and sources. you seem pretty confident that it was done for no other reason than obama being a giant pussy. i assume you can back that up.

i don't know if you're aware, but the number of jobs lost shrunk significantly this past month and official unemployment dipped .2%. it may not seem that impressive, but it is indicative that the economy may be turning around -- extremely slow as the case may be. the next two fiscal years will likely push local and state budgets into even deeper crises without continued stimulus spending. do you know what unemployment numbers without a stimulus would look like? why is the chief of the imf calling for continued spending? have stimulus plans helped france and germany out of recession already?

what other obama policies have "failed"?

seriously, think two seconds before you make ridiculous statements.

eta some brief facts from the epi:

Average weekly unemployment benefit in September (including additional $25 per week from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act): $334
Number of additional people each week receiving unemployment compensation because of ARRA in October: 3.9 million
Average monthly cost of COBRA with American Recovery and Reinvestment Act subsidy: $370; Without American Recovery and Reinvestment Act subsidy: $1,057
Jobs lost since February 2008: 2.7 million ; Jobs likely lost since February 2008 without passage of ARRA: 4.0 to 4.5 million
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The general made a request for at least 40,000 w no time table, and the coward in chief only posing as a commander in chief has left our military in the lurch, cutting back 10,000 soldiers.
Ooooh, I get it. The President really isn't supposed to be the commander in chief - he's just supposed to do whatever the generals tell him to do.

Thanks for clearing that up!
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The general made a request for at least 40,000 w no time table, and the coward in chief only posing as a commander in chief has left our military in the lurch, cutting back 10,000 soldiers.
Maybe you can see if there is a third grade civics class that has a spot for you in your neighbourhood so that the teacher can explain to you in simple language that your country's military decisions are not made by generals. Seems like you think you live in Pakistan?
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Wow, several well thought out, direct posts in a row, and that's your reply.
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official unemployment dipped .2%. it may not seem that impressive, but it is indicative that the economy may be turning around
I'll believe it when I see it. A couple months ago, the number dropped from 9.5 to 9.4, only to jump to where it is now.
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Wow, several well thought out, direct posts in a row, and that's your reply.
i suppose it's easier to laugh than actually engage in a serious conversation.

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I'll believe it when I see it. A couple months ago, the number dropped from 9.5 to 9.4, only to jump to where it is now.
sure, the unemployment number by itself can be misleading, but the economy shed 11,000 jobs in november. when the dip occurred over the summer we had lost about 900,000 jobs over the course of june, july, and august. i would wager that 9.4% had more to do with unemployed workers leaving the job market than the economy actually improving.

we're not going to start adding 300,000 jobs per month, but the rapid decline in jobs being lost is a good sign.

like i said, i'm still gravely concerned about what may happen to state and local budgets over the next two years as the arra life support dries up.
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My honest personal opinion is that America is fucked and will never recover. It just costs too much to hire workers in the US, what with things like minimum wage and health care for workers. Outsourcing is the best business decision for way too many companies, and there's too many people who think allowing the private sector to do whatever the hell it wants to is the best option. Less government regulation on business leads to more for-profit measures which means that more and more jobs are going to leave the US.
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My honest personal opinion is that America is fucked and will never recover. It just costs too much to hire workers in the US, what with things like minimum wage and health care for workers. Outsourcing is the best business decision for way too many companies, and there's too many people who think allowing the private sector to do whatever the hell it wants to is the best option. Less government regulation on business leads to more for-profit measures which means that more and more jobs are going to leave the US.
Please tell me you didn't have the president's ear at the White House Jobs Summit.
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Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval





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Please tell me you didn't have the president's ear at the White House Jobs Summit.
I'm too much of a pessimistic/defeatist to ever be involved in politics. As you can tell.
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Diamond, I'm getting tired of having to remind you to quit trolling.

If you're only posting things to thumb your nose at the opposition, then perhaps it's better if you just sit back and let people actually interested in genuine dialogue take part.
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boston.com Dec 8

In a move as much as about the politics of the issue as the policy, President Obama this morning outlined a new plan to pump up hiring and avert a jobless economic recovery.

"There are more than seven million fewer Americans with jobs today than when this recession began. That’s a staggering figure and one that reflects not only the depths of the hole from which we must ascend, but also a continuing human tragedy," he said at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

Obama said the administration would focus on giving tax cuts to small businesses to encourage them to add workers; on promoting labor-intensive transportation projects; and on giving homeowners incentives to make houses more energy efficient.

The president also said he supports congressional efforts to extend unemployment benefits and federal health care subsidies for the jobless, and also proposed another $250 stimulus payment to seniors and veterans.

And he officially backed paying for the new plan by using money left over and repaid from the bank and Wall Street bailout -- known as TARP -- though he did not specify an amount. Republicans vehemently oppose the move, saying it runs counter to the purpose of the program and arguing that any savings should go to bring down the federal deficit.

"Launched hastily under the last administration, the TARP program was flawed, and we have worked hard to correct those flaws and manage it properly. And today, TARP has served its original purpose and at a much lower cost than we expected," Obama said. "This gives us a chance to pay down the deficit faster than we thought possible and to shift funds that would have gone to help the banks on Wall Street to help create jobs on Main Street," he added.

Obama also reminded Americans how precarious the economy was, saying that a year ago his economic team briefed him on what he was about to inherit, an "unforgettable series of presentations" complete with "a chilling set of charts and graphs, predicting where we might end up."

He cited all the actions the administration has already taken to avert a "second Great Depression," including the $787 billion economic stimulus package that he championed, and chided Republicans for not helping fix a problem they helped create. "We can safely say that we are no longer facing the potential collapse of our financial system and we've avoided the depression many feared," he proclaimed.

While there are signs of economic recovery, unemployment -- even with a slight dip last month to 10 percent -- remains stubbornly high despite the economic stimulus package. During the recession, the president notes, many employers learned how to make do with fewer workers and are in no hurry to pad their payrolls again.

To boost hiring by small businesses, Obama called for a one-year moratorium on the tax on capital gains from new investments in small business stock. The earlier stimulus bill included a 75 percent exclusion from capital gains taxes on small business investments. He also called for an unspecified "short-term tax incentive" for small firms to add workers, the details to be worked out with Congress.

He also wants to extend through next year a recovery bill provision that eliminates fees and increases federal guarantees for Small Business Administration loans, and another that allows businesses to immediately expense up to $250,000 of qualified investment.

"Over the past 15 years, small businesses have created roughly 65 percent of all new jobs in America," Obama said. "These are companies formed around kitchen tables in family meetings, formed when an entrepreneur takes a chance on a dream, formed when a worker decides its time she became her own boss. These are also companies that drive innovation, producing 13 times more patents per employee than large companies. And, it’s worth remembering, every once in a while a small business becomes a big business -- and changes the world. That’s why it is so important that we help small businesses struggling to open, or struggling to open in the first place, during these difficult times."

Obama closed his speech with a reprise of his broader critique of business as usual in Washington and of his call for change that captured the imagination of so many voters.

"In the end, the economic crisis of the past year was not just the result of weaknesses in our economy. It was also the result of weaknesses in our political system. For decades, too many in Washington put off hard decisions. For decades, we’ve watched as efforts to solve tough problems have fallen prey to the bitterness of partisanship, to the prosaic concerns of politics, to ever-quickening news cycles, and to endless campaigns focused on scoring points instead of meeting our common challenges," he said.

"We have seen the consequences of this failure of responsibility. The American people have paid a heavy price. And the question we’ll have to answer now is if we are going to learn from our past, or if – even in the aftermath of disaster – we are going to repeat it. As the alarm bells fade, and the din of Washington rises, as the forces of the status quo marshal their resources, we can be sure that answering this question will be a fight to the finish. But I have every hope and expectation that we can rise to this moment, that we can transcend the failures of the past, that we can once again take responsibility for our future."
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