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Old 12-02-2009, 11:55 AM   #151
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you need to stop with your thoughtful, nuanced perspective that makes sweeping characterizations like "little San Francisco" impossible to sustain. the only way STING can talk about anything is if he constructs non-existent strawmen and imaginary opposition to his positions, as well as fabrications about what Obama has and has not said.

please, stop.
The only thing that is imaginary or frabricated here is your claims about people posting in this forum, their positions, as well as what Obama has actually said and not said.

The reference to San Francisco county is simply that it is probably the most liberal county in the country in terms of how the population there votes. Few would argue that FYM is not heavily liberal.
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so, yes, you're really just a troll.
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:03 PM   #153
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san francisco is also a really awesome city and most people would kill to live there and it has a huge quality of life. so the slams seem kind of insane.

would you rather live in "little Topeka, KS"?
Sorry, although you want to think its a "slam", its not. San Francisco County just has a very strong record of voting heavily in favor of Democratic candidates, perhaps the strongest of any county in the country. The comparison with FYM is that the level of support for Democratic political figures there seems similar to the level of support you find in this forum for Democratic political figures. Its just a comparison of the voting and not a slam on anything.
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Strongbow=troll?

ha ha.

Is not FYM= http://www.democraticunderground.com/

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I'd like to see any evidence that the majority of "Little San Francisco" here was in favor of immediate withdrawal (regardless of the conditions) from Iraq or Afghanistan as you seem to imply, Sting.

Time to back up your strawmen.
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I don't think any such immediate withdrawal poll exists in SF ???
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i haven't commented on the Obama speech because i see no good options.

but i feel further convinced that America has neither the blood nor the treasure to give to sustain a permanent colonial presence in two middle eastern countries for the next 20 years. and i don't see how that would make us any safer, at all, from radical islamist terrorism.

and, yes, i continue to blame Bush for this.
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Not at all. Its just interesting to see that there is no reaction, either for, against, or undecided about the policy after such a big speech.
Are you expecting some post on Little San Francisco's website, or do you need to be reminded that you're literally talking about something that doesn't exist?
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Are you expecting some post on Little San Francisco's website, or do you need to be reminded that you're literally talking about something that doesn't exist?
If George W. had given the same speech committing 30K more soldiers, there would be plenty of talk here.

(Everyone had an opinion on the Iraq surge, after all)
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If George W. had given the same speech committing 30K more soldiers, there would be plenty of talk here.

(Everyone had an opinion on the Iraq surge, after all)
You have to be able to see the difference, you used to be able to do this...

One started it, the other is just trying to maintain or finish it.
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If George W. had given the same speech committing 30K more soldiers, there would be plenty of talk here.

(Everyone had an opinion on the Iraq surge, after all)


and most people know that Iraq and Afghanistan are two totally different countries.

equivocation only goes so far.
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and most people know that Iraq and Afghanistan are two totally different countries.
I think it's still a small majority
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One started it, the other is just trying to maintain or finish it.
Like Nixon...
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there are no good options here.

i just wish the people who argued for prioritizing Iraq over Afghanistan these past 6 years would up and apologize.
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Obama Approval Index History - Rasmussen Reports™

just sayin..
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