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Old 06-27-2005, 08:27 AM   #1
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Obama Disses President Lincoln

"I cannot swallow whole the view of Lincoln as the Great Emancipator," Obama said. "As a law professor and civil rights lawyer and as an African-American, I am fully aware of his limited views on race. Anyone who actually reads the Emancipation Proclamation knows it was more a military document than a clarion call for justice."

http://www.belleville.com/mld/bellev...l/11992619.htm


I have been teaching this in my classroom for years....nice to see someone speak the truth.
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Old 06-27-2005, 08:31 AM   #2
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It's true.
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Old 06-27-2005, 08:44 AM   #3
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When I first saw this thread title, I thought it said

"Osama disses President Lincoln"

I don't think Obama is necessarily dissing Lincoln - he's dissing others who have wrongly perceived what Lincoln's speech was all about in the first place.
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Yes, Lincoln did the good thing legislatively, but not necessarily out of kwan, ya know? LOL. And that it is legitimate for history to understand that. to you, Dread, for teaching our kids the *whole* truth!
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Obama is 100% correct.
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He's correct. There's no sense in glossing this over.
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Old 06-27-2005, 11:17 AM   #7
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Lincoln was better than many.


But he, like many of what some call "the founding fathers" are deified a bit.

Obama is right.



John Brown is probably one of our greatest under-appreciated Americans.
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what about james brown?
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Old 06-27-2005, 12:00 PM   #9
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The whole proclamation was designed to give MORAL ground for the Union to stand on in the eyes of the world. He was trying to find a political way to give moral justification for the war, otherwise it was a revolution.
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He was trying to find a political way to give moral justification for the war, otherwise it was a revolution.
i'm not sure what you mean here.
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Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union. Whether slavery existed in whole or in part was clearly secondary.
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It was to give a political purpose to the Union cause. The Southern revolt had to be discredited.
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And it had its desired effect as well. Britian and France maintained peaceful relations with the Union throughout the war's tenure.
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hey -- what a neat thread. everyone contributing very interesting tidbits.

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Old 06-27-2005, 01:09 PM   #15
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i'm not sure what you mean here.
Moral high ground.....in the world's eyes......


Otheriwise the South was having a Revolution ala 1776.
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