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Old 03-18-2008, 07:50 PM   #106
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is this about Obama as president, or Obama as candidate?

you've yet to make these distinctions.

his goal is to be president

he has to win two political races

so the questions that need to be answered are:

Is he the best candidate in the primaries?

Should he get the nomination, is he able to win in November?
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when people in my family say bias things

I gently confront them with questions
and hope to help them reach new understandings.




When I heard bias from the pulpit?
I disassociated.

I did not make donations and ask myself how I could parlay this to further other aspirations I might have.


and that might get to the heart of the issue. Wright was more than just a pastor to Obama. "disassociation" might have been impossible with the man who literally brought him to Christianity.

perhaps your friends are disposable. it doesn't seem as if Obama's are.

again, i don't know what else Obama has to do here.

this obviously isn't good for the campaign. it's obvious his relationship with Wright is problematic for many people. it's obvious Wright has said incendiary, offensive things. but what's a candidate to do?
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Is he the best candidate in the primaries?

Should he get the nomination, is he able to win in November?


ask yourself why hundreds of thousands of Republicans are voting for Hillary in the primaries.

ask yourself why hundreds of thousands of Republicans are voting for Hillary in the primaries.

and, if elected, i do think he will be a far more effective leader and advocate for the things about which i care.

he'll be a liberal Reagan.
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but what's a candidate to do?
I have already said
I get that throwing him under the bus
is not good.

I guess he did the best he could do with this speech.

If I were an Obamamaniac, I would be disappointed that he did not see this coming. That he and Michelle did not choose a little (black) church closer to home about a year to 18 months ago.

He could have still dropped in at this big church 2-3 times a year.

That would have inoculated him from these attacks.
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I have already said
I get that throwing him under the bus
is not good.

I guess he did the best he could do with this speech.

If I were an Obamamaniac, I would be disappointed that he did not see this coming. That he and Michelle did not choose a little (black) church closer to home about a year to 18 months ago.

He could have still dropped in at this big church 2-3 times a year.

That would have inoculated him from these attacks.


with this post,

in agreement we are.
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ask yourself why hundreds of thousands of Republicans are voting for Hillary in the primaries.

early on Obama

was getting all the GOP votes in open primary states

because they wanted ABC

Abybody But Clinton

and I don't recall too much whining from Hillary's people.
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with this post,

in agreement we are.
I know I can see things your way

from your point of view

and I can agree with you

are you able to see thing from my POV?
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are you able to see thing from my POV?


i can understand your support for Hillary,

i can understand your concerns for Obama as a candidate,

i cannot understand your "kitchen sink" approach to him these past few weeks.
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i can understand your support for Hillary,

i can understand your concerns for Obama as a candidate,

i cannot understand your "kitchen sink" approach to him these past few weeks.
I second this...
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a narrative is growing online,

that this was one of the great political speeches.

and it might not be "enough" to prevent the damage done by Wright.

but one thing is certain.

he has not been Swift Boated.
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he'll be a liberal Reagan.



this is so pathetic

that democrats use Reagan

you know there is a model

a very popular president that served Two terms, he was handily re-elected



he left office with 60+ approval rating

his poll numbers were always around 60%

a great communicator

the camera loved him

as did people all around the world


we have Holocaust - deniers
and we have Clinton - deniers
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he has not been Swift Boated.
you are so cute

if you were here

I would you.
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this is so pathetic

that democrats use Reagan
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oh for pete's sake.

it's a political figure of speech.

Reagan gave Republicans much of what they wanted.
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you are so cute

if you were here

I would you.


to this,

respond i do not know how.
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oh for pete's sake.

it's a political figure of speech.

Reagan gave Republicans much of what they wanted.
and why are we caring about what Republicans want or wanted?
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