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Old 03-18-2008, 06:23 PM   #76
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Yes, and we all know they've gotten PLENTY of scrutiny and downright hatred and wishes of death directed at them over the past 20 years. I don't think it's too much to ask to examine a controversial pastor from the other side of the aisle, for once, and question Obama's judgment and relationship with him.
There's a double standard going on here. I think I mentioned it in the 2008 presidential race thread. McCain is associated with a minister with anti-Catholic views; Hillary is associated with Billy Graham. I got an email from an Obama supporter who claimed Graham has anti-Semitic views. Why don't they have to disassociate themselves from these ministers?
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There's a double standard going on here. I think I mentioned it in the 2008 presidential race thread. McCain is associated with a minister with anti-Catholic views; Hillary is associated with Billy Graham. I got an email from an Obama supporter who claimed Graham has anti-Semitic views. Why don't they have to disassociate themselves from these ministers?
McCain does, and he has. I think for most people, that's the end of the story, as it should be. There is a HUGE difference with Obama, though. McCain doesn't belong to Hagee's church or have a 20 year relationship with him or willingly subject his children to him. With Obama, serious questions about his judgment have arisen.

There's no double standard. Obama needs to be examined. Lord knows McCain and Hillary are.
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There's a double standard going on here. I think I mentioned it in the 2008 presidential race thread. McCain is associated with a minister with anti-Catholic views; Hillary is associated with Billy Graham. I got an email from an Obama supporter who claimed Graham has anti-Semitic views. Why don't they have to disassociate themselves from these ministers?

Please tell me which one of those churches
- that McCain is a member?



A few weeks back
Louis Farrakhan gave a big speech for Obama, along with some controversial remarks.

there was some mention of it.

just like there has been some mentioning of the McCain supporters


the difference is a 20+ membership and close association


so please show me the same with McCain?
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just like he is not a member of Louis Farrakhan's organization

I would expect him not to be a member here



i'm sorry, but i call bullshit.

a local church is not the Nation of Islam.
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I take it you missed his speech this morning?

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."
And you must have stopped watching/reading immediately after that.

He claimed about halfway through that he had never heard Wright spout racist rhetoric. "Controversial" is non-specific.

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Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a nigger.

Hillary is married to Bill. And Bill have been good to us.
No, he ain't. Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.



This is what the father of two little girls wants then to hear in church?

From the pulpit?

sincerely?


is there anyone in america who didn't know what went on between Bill and Monica?



i'm astonished that, because he attended the church, you seem to be implying that Obama authored these speeches.
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Exactly. The "well, you need to understand the black experience" defense only goes so far. Wright's comments have no place in a house of worship.


really?

didn't people come here for "freedom of religion"? who are you to tell people who they can practice and preach?

hating gay people has no place in a house of worship, but that goes on all the time.
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I take it you missed his speech this morning?

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."


so sitting in a pew is an automatic endorsement of every line of ever sermon the man has delivered over the past 30 years?
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It is not the size, but the controversy.

Can you imagine a President sitting in a church and hearing those kinds of remarks from the pulpit?

And trying to excuse this off, as this just being how all "black churches" are, is not true.

I have been to a few.
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McCain does, and he has. I think for most people, that's the end of the story, as it should be. There is a HUGE difference with Obama, though. McCain doesn't belong to Hagee's church or have a 20 year relationship with him or willingly subject his children to him. With Obama, serious questions about his judgment have arisen.

There's no double standard. Obama needs to be examined. Lord knows McCain and Hillary are.
McCain has the opposite problem. He distanced himself from these men 8 years ago and is now embracing them, which gives him credibility issues.

Do we know if all of Wright's sermons were like this, or have we just seen the two or three that would make headlines? So questioning his whole 20 year relationship seems a little knee-jerk to me...
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hating gay people has no place in a house of worship, but that goes on all the time.
I have never and would never vote for a candidate that had an association with a church that "hates" gays.

And when people go anywhere near there, I call them on it.
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Do we know if all of Wright's sermons were like this, or have we just seen the two or three that would make headlines? So questioning his whole 20 year relationship seems a little knee-jerk to me...
I guess I just disagree with you then. You seem to think that the only racist, anti-American things he ever said came from the handful of sermons that we've seen on the news. Personally, I think there are a lot more "God damn Americas" in his preaching history that will surface.
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Do we know if all of Wright's sermons were like this, or have we just seen the two or three that would make headlines? .

first of all

no one has said,

he said this everyday 24/7 for the last 20 years?


Perhaps we need to go back and read what some of you said about Imus?

Eliot only paid for sex 8 times??

out of how many days? 18, 250 ??

why blow that out of proportion?
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McCain has the opposite problem. He distanced himself from these men 8 years ago and is now embracing them, which gives him credibility issues.

McCain isn't "embracing" them. Have you seen Hagee on the news since his announcement of his endorsement? I don't think he's been out there on the campaign trail with McCain nor does he have a role in his team. To me, McCain is still keeping his distance from the Christian conservatives. Ask most hardcore Christian conservatives, and McCain still isn't their favorite person nor will he ever be.
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