Obama delivers speech on race and politics! - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-17-2008, 11:15 PM   #16
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by yolland
Obama really has no choice but to address this at length if he wants to avoid large-scale abandonment by white voters scared off by the specter of the Angry Black Man, irrational though that is.
it does not even need to be large-scale

the last two elections have turned on the smallest of margins

and I still believe this is only about 2 or 3 states.

if it is more than that it will be a blow out for McCain
__________________

__________________
deep is offline  
Old 03-17-2008, 11:20 PM   #17
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by U2democrat
There's a LOT more to Obama than being against the war.

The youth are also actually turning out this time around. There's no comparison between Obama and McCarthy.
Obama is no Eugene McCarthy.

It seems his supporters have no problem comparing him to JFK, MLKjr and RFK.

George McGovern was
a very successful candidate also from that era.

He did a very good job in the primary campaign and debates.
He did a better job getting the Democratic nomination than either Hillary or Obama.


__________________

__________________
deep is offline  
Old 03-17-2008, 11:21 PM   #18
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,493
Local Time: 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by yolland
abandonment by white voters scared off by the specter of the Angry Black Man, irrational though that is.



and this is what the Clintons have been playing off of, especially in the now immortal "3am" ad.

who's a bigger threat to white women and their sleeping children?

muslims?

angry black men?

or,

angry black muslim men who have funny names?



how can this stuff not make any awake human being want to scream?
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 01:23 AM   #19
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tempe, Az USA
Posts: 12,856
Local Time: 10:33 AM

I think if Obama had an (R) next to his name, he'd win in a landslide against McCain.

Race has nothing to do with his electabilty.

Let me illustrate the point this way. If Colin Powell a popular Republican were running for President in this election cycle he would bring:

Hillary
Obama
McCain
and
Mitt

all to their knees.

Race has nothing to do with nothing. Our country as a whole being right of center and divorcing itself of racist attitudes of the past would love nothing more to have a strong, non wavering, level headed military minded man leading this country during these tumultous times and the man best suited would be Colin Powell, not John McCain.

Now can we move on to a real topic?



dbs
__________________
diamond is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 01:29 AM   #20
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,493
Local Time: 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by diamond
I think if Obama had an (R) next to his name, he'd win in a landslide against McCain.

Race has nothing to do with his electabilty.

Let me illustrate the point this way. If Colin Powell a popular Republican were running for President in this election cycle he would bring:

Hillary
Obama
McCain
and
Mitt

all to their knees.

Race has nothing to do with nothing. Our country as a whole being right of center and divorcing itself of racist attitudes of the past would love nothing more to have a strong, non wavering, level headed military minded man leading this country during these tumultous times and the man best suited would be Colin Powell, not John McCain.

Now can we move on to a real topic?


if only it were that simple.

why do you think Colin Powell has never sought elected higher office?
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 01:30 AM   #21
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tempe, Az USA
Posts: 12,856
Local Time: 10:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irvine511




if only it were that simple.

why do you think Colin Powell has never sought elected higher

office?
his wife has requested him not to everytime it's been broached.

dbs
__________________
diamond is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 02:48 AM   #22
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 03:33 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by deep
more like 72


a candidate cinching the nomination on being "against the war"

with the "youth" being his base


and then a electoral college wipe out.
It could make for better reading if that was the case.

__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 08:58 AM   #23
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 11:33 AM
"a case of "the chickens coming home to roost."
--Malcolm X, 1963, on the assassination of JFK

"America's chickens are coming home to roost"
--Jeremiah Wright, 2001, on the first Sunday after 9/11

"But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline."
--MLK, 1963, I Have A dream speech.

Dr King saw injustice but he prayed FOR his country, not it's damnation.

Sad, truly sad to see Christians cheer this man from the pews and people here agree.
__________________
INDY500 is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 09:04 AM   #24
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,493
Local Time: 12:33 PM
Quote:
Dr King saw injustice but he prayed FOR his country, not it's damnation.

Sad, truly sad to see Christians cheer this man from the pews and people here agree. [/B]


yes, there's really only one way blacks should be thinking. you should go and tell them how they should talk, act, look, and pray. there's only one way to be an American, and people should ignore 400 years of history combined with their present day realities and simply be grateful that they get to live in the same country as you. anger? what anger? certainly a degree from Princeton should be more than enough to make up for Michelle Obama the number of times she's been called a bitch, or a n*gger, or not been seated at a restaurant, or not been able to get a cab, or any other number of things blacks suffer through every day. all she has to say is, "stop, cab driver! i went to Princeton and i love my country!"
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 09:05 AM   #25
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,493
Local Time: 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by INDY500


Sad, truly sad to see Christians cheer this man from the pews and people here agree.


and, of course, you feel this way about Robertson, Fallwell, Dobson, Hagee, etc.?
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 09:57 AM   #26
War Child
 
MaxFisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 776
Local Time: 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by INDY500
"a case of "the chickens coming home to roost."
--Malcolm X, 1963, on the assassination of JFK

"America's chickens are coming home to roost"
--Jeremiah Wright, 2001, on the first Sunday after 9/11

"But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline."
--MLK, 1963, I Have A dream speech.

Dr King saw injustice but he prayed FOR his country, not it's damnation.

Sad, truly sad to see Christians cheer this man from the pews and people here agree.
great post
__________________
MaxFisher is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 10:02 AM   #27
War Child
 
MaxFisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 776
Local Time: 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irvine511
and, of course, you feel this way about Robertson, Fallwell, Dobson, Hagee, etc.?
as a Christian evangelical, yes, I do feel the same way about these 4 you mentioned.
__________________
MaxFisher is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 10:29 AM   #28
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
2861U2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: watching the Cubs
Posts: 4,252
Local Time: 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irvine511




and, of course, you feel this way about Robertson, Fallwell, Dobson, Hagee, etc.?
Why do you keep bringing them up? Yes, they've all said bad things. But you cannot equate them to the Wright story. Believe me, if one of those four was McCain's pastor for 20 years, it would be a huge story. More and more I'm hearing Democrats on the news say "well what about Hagee?" when Wright comes up. That's a pretty weak response. If anyone thinks you can compare McCain and Hagee with Obama and Wright, you're an idiot.
__________________
2861U2 is online now  
Old 03-18-2008, 10:31 AM   #29
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,493
Local Time: 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by MaxFisher


as a Christian evangelical, yes, I do feel the same way about these 4 you mentioned.


do you see them as no different than Wright? the same?

also, is it not possible to find good thoughts in the writings of MLK, Malcolm X, and Wright? or, like Indy seems to think, we have to choose one, and only one, since these three men are obviously incompatible.

despite the fact that their different writings illuminate the complexity of race in America.

it's never just one thing.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 03-18-2008, 10:35 AM   #30
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,684
Local Time: 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2861U2


Why do you keep bringing them up? Yes, they've all said bad things. But you cannot equate them to the Wright story. Believe me, if one of those four was McCain's pastor for 20 years, it would be a huge story. More and more I'm hearing Democrats on the news say "well what about Hagee?" when Wright comes up. That's a pretty weak response. If anyone thinks you can compare McCain and Hagee with Obama and Wright, you're an idiot.
What? Hagee and Dobson have been big parts of the Republican party in general, not just McCain's campaign. So yes very comparable, they've been in your camp for years.
__________________

__________________
BVS is online now  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com