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Old 03-19-2008, 12:11 PM   #151
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in regards to AIDS, i am reminded of hearing about a statement, in the early part of the epidemic, that was the following: "AIDS is killing the right people."

meaning society's undesirables. in the beginning, it was gays, IV drug users, and Haitians.

i don't think this was intentional, i don't think it was created by the government (it's too fiendish and clever a virus to have been invented). but i think that the lack of government response to the AIDS crisis in the beginning was due to the fact that it was killing people who politicians didn't want to acknowledge.

if AIDS had been killing Italian grandmothers, and if AIDS had nothing to do with sex, it would be a very different situation.
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I just watched the speech on tape. It was great.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:12 PM   #153
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I agree with this somewhat.

I just saw a replay of a little bit of Obama's speech on TV.

Wow. I was really moved. It also seems he's been getting rave reviews for it.

He really does seem like he's got the same protective layer of Teflon that Reagan and Bill Clinton had.

But I wouldn't count out the rabid Obama haters just yet. I think they are just waiting for him to get the nomination before they really, truly go after him. And I'm afraid it's going to be extremely ugly.
Yeah, I'm afraid it's going to be ugly.
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Barack's speech is getting extremely positive feedback. I'll track it down online in a minute.

Now, I suppose we'll just wait and see if this is enough to pull him out of the ditch or not. It won't hurt him, I'll tell you that.
It certainly won't!
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A surrogate of Hillary's and Mr Deep's?

You decide:


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I suppose quiting the church now,
could be interpreted as throwing him under the bus, because of the timing

Obama is in a jam, of his own making

It seems a bit like people wanting me to feel sorry for Bush because the Iraq thing got so messed up.


a smarted person would have chosen a smaller church closer to his home
a couple of years ago
when he started considering higher office
I think he addressed the issue of changing churches very well in the speech.
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I don't know anything about McCain's religion.
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I think he addressed the issue of changing churches very well in the speech.
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a smarted person
what's a "smarted" person?





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they had an effective leader.

in Obama,

the democrats will have an equally effective leader.
Yes.
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if AIDS had been killing Italian grandmothers, and if AIDS had nothing to do with sex, it would be a very different situation.
I agree.
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With typical politicians in a typical election, 2-3 states will be the margin.

With someone like Obama, we will see a different electoral map. New, different states will be in play.
Yeah.
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So Republicans were voting for Hillary in Texas. Why? Because they think she'll be easier to beat?
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So Christian conservatives still don't like McCain.
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I am impressed by that statement from Mike Huckabee, that's refreshing to read and I like it. After watching Senator Obama's speech and his interviews I understand this whole situation much better. And that man is a friend of his for twenty years, he's not going to throw him under the bus for political reasons and I admire that. How many of us have friends that we are still friends with in spite of some things they say and do? Some people remain friends with people who are guilty of much more heinous things than Rev Wright is. Of course we're not running for President so for him it has to go way beyond the personal, a lesson learned I guess. I was especially touched by what Senator Obama said about his white grandmother and some race related comments that she has made.

I think it's a situation that we can all learn something from once we get past our initial reaction to it. Maybe we can think about others too and how they relate to their churches and religions.
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With typical politicians in a typical election, 2-3 states will be the margin.

With someone like Obama, we will see a different electoral map. New, different states will be in play.
I think you can say the same for McCain. Right now, RCP has McCain holding Ohio and Florida against both candidates, and also leading in Pennsylvania, a blue state. He'd be tough to beat if he won all three.
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