Obama/Clinton Debate in Texas / tonight 8PM ET

[U2democrat]

This is excellent analysis that sums up the debate perfectly:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/21/689812.aspx

Clinton ended the debate on a VERY conciliatory note and for the first time sounded like a candidate who realized she might not win.

 

[Lila64]

thanks for the link

watching some clips from the debate on CNN's website

 

[U2isthebest]

This is excellent analysis that sums up the debate perfectly:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/21/689812.aspx

That was a fantastic way to sum up tonight. Thanks for that!

 

[coemgen]

Time.com

Obama B +
Clinton B

 

[U2democrat]

That was a fantastic way to sum up tonight. Thanks for that!

Anytime

I always love Chuck Todd's analysis. He is SO smart.

 

[U2isthebest]

Anytime

I always love Chuck Todd's analysis. He is SO smart.

I've never heard of Chuck Todd. I rarely watch MSNBC. I truly only enjoy watching the NBC Nightly News, and then getting the rest of my news from online newspapers. I do catch CNN a bit more than FOX NEWS or MSNBC, etc.

 

[U2democrat]

I used to watch CNN a lot more, but MSNBC's political analysis is by far the best. For hard news I generally turn to CNN, but MSNBC really does have the best political team.

 

[coemgen]

More grades from Time.com

Clinton:

Substance:A-
Style:B+
Offense: D-
Defense: C

OVERALL GRADE: B

Obama:

Substance: C+
Style: B
Offense: A
Defense: A-

OVERALL GRADE: B+

 

[U2@NYC]

Boy, that was boring.

I am cutting off on primary debates and watching crap TV from now on.

Nothing new.

The Obama grade on substance is not suprising. He is the king of bullshit.

 

[coemgen]

I actually disagree with Time's final grade on the two based on their formula.

If you do it this way:

A: 4
B:3
C:2
D:1

And average them together, you have:

Obama: B+
Clinton: C

Plus, Clinton's + and - cancel out and she still has another -.

(Yes, I'm this analytical. No, Time isn't the final authority on how the debate is.)

 

[EdgeVox]

Just saw it live at my local Obama headquarters; Hilary mentioned Brownsville about 3-4 times because she was here last night. She is the definition of pandering and her "Hope you can Xerox" was cringeworthy and was justly met with boos from the Austin audience. Great debate; going to see Obama tomorrow morning in Edinburg, Texas. I'm actually very excited....is that weird?

 

[U2democrat]

That's not weird at all. You'll be a witness of/part of history I can't wait to hear about your experience!

 

[Diemen]

He is the king of bullshit.

And why is that?

I've yet to see anybody actually explain why he's "all talk, no action." Most of the time they bring up his oratory skills and some of his supporters, but never actually the positions he's formed and explained.

 

[LarryMullen's POPAngel]

I love MSNBC analysis.

Even if they say pretty much the same thing five hundred times in the span of an hour, at least I can go around the house, do other things, come back and not miss anything.

I think it was a good debate (from the clips I saw) and I agree, Hillary did sound as if she was conceeding but I wouldn't count Tracy Flick, Sr out just yet.

 

[Anu]

Any day of the week, I will take the 'change I can xerox' over the same ol' crap that makes me want to pop a xanax.

 

[Irvine511]

I think it was a good debate (from the clips I saw) and I agree, Hillary did sound as if she was conceeding but I wouldn't count Tracy Flick, Sr out just yet.

[q]Dear Lord Jesus, I do not often speak with you and ask for things, but now, I really must insist that you help me win the election tomorrow because I deserve it and Paul Metzler doesn't, as you well know. I realize that it was your divine hand that disqualified Tammy Metzler and now I'm asking that you go that one last mile and make sure to put me in office where I belong so that I may carry out your will on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.[/q]

 

[coemgen]

Haha. This is interesting. Xerox this, Clinton:

Clinton faces claims of borrowed language
Posted: 09:45 AM ET

(CNN) – Hillary Clinton – whose campaign has spent the past several days pointing to instances of borrowed language in the speeches of rival Barack Obama – is being accused of lifting words from one very familiar politician: her own husband, former President Bill Clinton.

During Thursday night’s CNN Democratic debate, Clinton looked to highlight occasions when lines used by Obama have resembled those delivered by his friend and adviser, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.

Clinton’s closing answer, which brought the audience to its feet, highlighted her personal struggles and the difficulties facing ordinary Americans: "You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country."

Shortly after she delivered her closing remark, a reader of Joshua Micah Marshall’s Talking Points Memo Web site noted that the line seemed to bear a resemblance to one her husband was quoted as delivering during his 1992 campaign.

"The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time," her husband was quoted as saying in an article by Anna Quindlen in the New York Times in that November of that year.

Last night, Hillary Clinton also said: “You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about.”

The Obama campaign immediately began circulating a similar comment delivered by former presidential candidate John Edwards. “What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine,” Edwards said during a December debate in Iowa.

 

[U2isthebest]

[q]Dear Lord Jesus, I do not often speak with you and ask for things, but now, I really must insist that you help me win the election tomorrow because I deserve it and Paul Metzler doesn't, as you well know. I realize that it was your divine hand that disqualified Tammy Metzler and now I'm asking that you go that one last mile and make sure to put me in office where I belong so that I may carry out your will on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.[/q]

I think that what's Huckabee is praying isn't it?

 

[verte76]

That Xerox thing was stupid. Really lame.

 

[verte76]

Yeah, I liked Hillary's statement about Bush's war on science. Bush's war on science pisses me off big time.

 

[Carek1230]

I watched the entire debate with an open mind as I am still torn between the two candidates. It was very close with both Obama and Clinton making mistakes and staking claim. I was pleasantly surprised there didn't seem to be the mud slinging I thought would happen since the 2 really seem to me to agree on more of the issues than disagree. It's the personal attacks and digging for dirt to sling that I shy away from during these election campaigns. I did applaud Hillary's closing comments and felt she handled the reference to her difficult past rather eloquently. I am glad she didn't pull the emotional tears as before. It was a positive debate I thought and I Will be watching MSNBC next week for yet another round between Obama and Clinton.

I was also sad to hear the news about the motorcade cop who crashed and was killed while escorting Clinton's party in Texas. Very sad. Althought that was the right thing to do cancelling her afternoon activities out of respect to the cop and family I'm sure that will hurt Hillary. There's a lot of ground to cover in Texas in this already very close democratic race.