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Old 06-06-2008, 12:09 PM   #136
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^He pressed Bush to try a multilateral approach and work through the UN for a new Security Council resolution to persuade Iraq to disarm before we invaded. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were against this and simply wanted to make a case for war. Bush gave a speech at the UN where he stated he was seeking said resolution, but he also said he'd go to war with or without it. That's what Powell was against. If he'd spoken out more strongly, the invasion might have been delayed, and we as Americans might have had more of a chance to see real intelligence on Iraq before we gave the support that got us into this horrific quagmire. Powell may have supported an invasion as a last resort, but he certainly didn't see it as the first choice as most of the administration did. I should've made that clearer in my other post.

The point that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld were making was that they already had UN resolutions that authorized military action against Saddam. Bill Clinton had sited the same resolutions when he intervened with military force in Iraq in the 1990s. Powell thought another resolution would be important in getting international support and they got that resolution in November 2002. Its unlikely that any more significant intelligence would have come about months or years later. The fact is, the United States only knows what it does now because it invaded the country and was able to search it without any restrictions. The Ultimate problem was Saddam, and not his specific technical capabilities at one point in time. Powell understood that which is why he supported the invasion to remove him from power and still supports that decision to this day. He believes the world is safer without Saddam in power in Iraq in stark contrast to Barrack Obama.
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^That's not the case at all, but I'm certainly not going to waste time arguing with you. You only believe what you want to believe.
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He believes the world is safer without Saddam in power in Iraq in stark contrast to Barrack Obama.
Do you really believe these kinds of statements?

Strongbow, do you believe the world is safer without Chavez or Kim Jong-Il?
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Quoting Hillary Clinton today: "Yes we can!"


O NOEZ!!!!!!!! SHEz BECOME AN OBAMABOT!111111!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!11ONE
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I just got home from grocery shopping and I missed Hillary's speech. I thought it was going to be later; I hope it's up on Youtube soon. I called my grandma from the store since I haven't seen her for a few days, and she hung up on me because the speech was about to start I guess my Grandma and Papa are supporting Obama now since Hillary freed them.
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Quoting Hillary Clinton today: "Yes we can!"


O NOEZ!!!!!!!! SHEz BECOME AN OBAMABOT!111111!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!11ONE


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Quoting Hillary Clinton today: "Yes we can!"


O NOEZ!!!!!!!! SHEz BECOME AN OBAMABOT!111111!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!11ONE
Doesn't she see that he is all sizzle and no steak??
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I don't see her being picked though. She doesn't represent "Change."

I'm holding out for Tim Kaine. It'd be interesting to see our state's own Kathleen Sebelius, but if he picked another woman . . . he'd pay for it. : )
Who's Tim Kaine?
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That's pretty astute analysis. I wouldn't have been crushed if Clinton had won the nomination and though I'm cautiously optimistic about Obama getting the nom, I'm actually a bit skeptical about November. I was just talking to a friend of mine whose dad fits the "blue collar Democratic" profile that gave Hillary strong support and she said her dad would never vote for Obama because he's black. I suspect there are many Dem voters with a similar view and that makes me really sad. I would have liked to think that racism wouldn't be such a motivator among Democrats but I fear that is not the case.
Me too.
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Who's Tim Kaine?
Recently elected popular Democrat governor of Virginia

a state that the Dems would love to carry in Nov.


( I really should have let U2demomcat answer this one )
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Obama is inexperienced, I felt the same way about W.






For a minute, I thought it was a picture of W.
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Well, you've convinced me, deep. That they both ride bikes is a clear indication that Obama won't be a good president.

I mean, it's crystal clear now that you've shown the picture.
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(if he wore that flap pin, I would not be able to tell them apart)

Obama will be a crap shoot, (throw of the dice)

He will have a hard time controlling an exuberant Democratic controlled House and Senate.
It would have been a hard enough task for Hillary, in her steel belted, asbestos pant suit.
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Deep has it occurred to you that, you know, Obama is smarter than W? And that, because he is more intelligent, will surround himself with better people and make better decisions? Because I would think comparing Obama's "inexperience" with W's "inexperience" isn't quite fair when you compare their state of minds


I guess intelligence is overrated.
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