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Old 11-03-2004, 01:15 PM   #16
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Don't be a quitter. Take the energy and effort it would take to organize a move to Canada and put it into making America the place you want it to be.
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Old 11-03-2004, 01:26 PM   #17
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Ya know, if this thread wasn't created by a moderator, it would probably be closed.
im not following your logic.
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Old 11-03-2004, 01:57 PM   #18
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I love Canada.

I was born elsewhere, lived in 3 different countries before coming here as a refugee. I remember it well, the day I arrived - I was 12 years old, lived through poverty and communism and war and came to a place that owed me nothing and gave me everything it had. I will never forget that or lose the gratitude.

The true north, strong and free, they're not just words.
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:20 PM   #19
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I'm curious about any of the complaints our Canadian posters have about living in Canada? I know drugs are cheap
Because the US pays all the R&D costs for the drugs before the pharmaceutical companies sell them up north.

And some politicians want us to import cheaper drugs from Canada, i.e. they want the government to pay for them twice.

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but from what I know there are some other big issues with health care (not like we don't have our own...).
Just hope that you don't tear an ACL up there.
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I know... one who is moving to Austria this weekend.
Tell them they are welcome in Austria!

If they need anything, I am happy to offer some help.
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:57 PM   #21
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people want to move away cause they are not having their way.... oh my ggooodddddd
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:06 PM   #22
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I can't do this.
Tears are still too close to the surface.
Never mind.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:12 PM   #23
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Tell them they are welcome in Austria!

If they need anything, I am happy to offer some help.


She used to live in Vienna so she has lots of friends there but I told her maybe I'd come visit when U2 tours. I'll let you know.
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Funny, I just came across this article on www.commondreams.org.

Ten Reasons Not to Move to Canada
by Sarah Anderson
November 3, 2004

Ready to say screw this country and buy a one-way ticket north? Here are some reasons to stay in the belly of the beast.

1. The Rest of the World. After the February 2003 antiwar protests, the New York Times described the global peace movement as the world's second superpower. Their actions didn't prevent the war, but protestors in nine countries have succeeded in pressuring their governments to pull their troops from Iraq and/or withdraw from the so-called coalition of the willing. Antiwar Americans owe it to themajority of the people on this planet who agree with them to stay and do what they can to end the suffering in Iraq and prevent future pre-emptive wars.

2. People Power Can Trump Presidential Power. The strength of social movements can be more important than whoever is in the White House. Example: In 1970, President Nixon supported the Occupational Safety and Health Act, widely considered the most important pro-worker legislation of the last 50 years. It didnt happen because Nixon loved labor unions, but because union power was strong. Stay and help build the peace, economic justice, environmental and other social movements that can make change.

3. The great strides made in voter registration and youth mobilization must be built on rather than abandoned.

click for the other 7
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1103-28.htm
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:15 PM   #25
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This "America vs Canada" or another country comparison is silly. Every country has its good and bad points.

Canada rocks in many ways and sucks in many ways (ask the Aboriginal Nations). I'm from Pakistan...moved here (Vancouver, BC) in the mid-'70s...it's the best country i've ever experienced. US is a close second (better say this as my wife is 'Murrican) ...Turkey a close third. Pakistan? Ah well, it's trying.

However, moving here because you didn't like the result of a democratic process in the States sounds disingenious. Things can change if enough people want them to...eventually.

**edited to add the "dis" in "ingenious"!
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I am looking forward to my visit to Toronto this weekend.
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:34 PM   #27
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I can perfectly well understand your feelings pax, when you see that more than half your country could bring themselves to vote for someone like Bush. However though quitting might release the disgust of having to live in a society that in its majority considers this President a valid leader and stands by the values he supports, unfortunately you can never get away completely because American politics have a tremendous impact throughout the world and most especially on our Western side.
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[q]Unhappy Democrats Need to Wait to Get Into Canada

Wed Nov 3, 1:16 PM ET

By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Disgruntled Democrats seeking a safe Canadian haven after President Bush (news - web sites) won Tuesday's election should not pack their bags just yet.

Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year.


"You just can't come into Canada and say 'I'm going to stay here'. In other words, there has to be an application. There has to be a reason why the person is coming to Canada," said immigration ministry spokeswoman Maria Iadinardi.


There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, a country that leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans.


But recent statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work in Canada, which has a creaking publicly funded healthcare system and relatively high levels of personal taxation.


Government officials, real estate brokers and Democrat activists said that while some Americans might talk about a move to Canada rather than living with a new Bush administration, they did not expect a mass influx.


"It's one thing to say 'I'm leaving for Canada' and quite another to actually find a job here and wonder about where you're going to live and where the children are going to go to school," said one government official.


Roger King of the Toronto-based Democrats Abroad group said he had heard nothing to back up talk of a possible exodus of party members.


"I imagine most committed Democrats will want to stay in the United States and continue being politically active there," he told Reuters.


Americans seeking to immigrate can apply to become permanent citizens of Canada, a process that often takes a year. Becoming a full citizen takes a further three years.


The other main way to move north on a long-term basis is to find a job, which in all cases requires a work permit. This takes from four to six months to come through.


Official statistics show the number of U.S. workers entering Canada dropped to 15,789 in 2002 from 21,627 in 2000. Early indicators on Wednesday showed little sign of this changing.


A spokesman for Canada's foreign affairs ministry said there had been no increase in the number of hits on the Washington embassy's immigration Web site, while housing brokers said they doubted they would see a surge in U.S. business.


"Canada's always open and welcoming to Americans who want to relocate here, but we don't think it would be a trend or movement," said Gino Romanese of Royal Lepage Residential Real Estate Services in Toronto.


Those wishing to move to Canada could always take a risk and claim refugee status -- the path chosen earlier this year by two U.S. deserters who opposed the war in Iraq (news - web sites).


"Anybody who enters Canada who claims refugee status will be provided with a work permit ... it doesn't matter what country they're from," Iadinardi said.


Refugee cases are handled by special boards, which can take months to decide whether to admit applicants. The rulings can be appealed and opposition politicians complain some people ordered deported have been in Canada for 10 years or more. [/q]
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Old 11-03-2004, 05:17 PM   #29
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This "America vs Canada" or another country comparison is silly. Every country has its good and bad points.

Canada rocks in many ways and sucks in many ways (ask the Aboriginal Nations). I'm from Pakistan...moved here (Vancouver, BC) in the mid-'70s...it's the best country i've ever experienced. US is a close second (better say this as my wife is 'Murrican) ...Turkey a close third. Pakistan? Ah well, it's trying.

However, moving here because you didn't like the result of a democratic process in the States sounds disingenious. Things can change if enough people want them to...eventually.

**edited to add the "dis" in "ingenious"!
"Ingenious" and "disingenuous" are both words, but "disingenious" is not.
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Will everyone emigrating move in with DaveC and his mom?
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