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Old 04-03-2005, 04:06 PM   #1
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Now, this is interesting.

I never knew this:
Women Deaconesses in Historical Records

Literary sources have left us ample records of deaconesses in different parts of the Byzantine Empire. Constantinople's main cathedral, the Hagia Sophia, counted among its clergy 6o priests, 100 male deacons and 40 deaconesses (Justinian, Novella 3.1)

Here are some deaconesses we know by name, often because of their connections with Church leaders. They represent thousands whose names remain hidden, like those of the ordinary priests and deacons.

* Olympias in Constantinople, ordained by Bishop Nektarios, friend of St. Gregory of Nazianze and later of St. John Chrysostom whom she greatly helped during his conflict with the Emperor and exile. Died in 418 AD.
* ‘Anonyma’ about whom we know that she ministered in Antioch during the persecution of Julian the Apostate (361-363 AD).
* Procula and Pentadia, two deaconesses to whom St. Chrysostom wrote letters.
* Salvina whom St. Jerome knew and who later became a deaconess in Constantinople.
* The deaconess Anastasia whom Severus, Bishop of Antioch, mentions in his letters.
* The deaconess Macrina, sister of St. Basil the Great, and her friend and deaconess Lampadia.
* The deaconess Theosebia, wife of St. Gregory of Nissa.
The names of some deaconesses have also been preserved on tomb stones. At least 28 have been identified. Here are some typical examples:
Tomb stone of Sophia

* Sophia of Jerusalem (4th cent. AD?). The Greek inscription reads: “Here lies the servant and virgin of Christ, the deacon [!], the second Phoebe [Rom 16,1], who passed away in peace on the 21st day of March . . . May the Lord God . . .” (Revue biblique, New 1 (1904) pp. 260-262).

* Theodora of Gaul (present-day France) carried this latin inscription on her tomb: “Here rests in peace and of good remembrance Theodora the deaconess who lived about 48 years and died on 22 July 539.”

Another tombstone found in Delphi, Greece, and belonging to the 5th century remembers a certain Athanasia. “The most devout deaconess Athanasia, established deaconess by his holiness bishop Pantamianos after she had lived a blameless life. He erected this tomb on the place where her honoured [body ?] lies. If soneone else dares to open this tomb in which the deaconess has been buried, may he receive the fate of Judas, who betrayed our Lord Jesus Christ . . . Nothing less the clerics who were found gathered . . ” (H.Leclercq, Dictionnaire de'Archéologie Chrétienne, Paris 1921, vol. IV, col. 570-571).

Tomb stone of Eneon

* Another tomb stone at Jerusalem remembers the deaconess Eneon who ministered to the sick: “Tomb of Eneon, daughter of Neoiketis, deaconess in this hospital” (Maffei, Museum Veronense, Verona 1749, p. 179).

More detailed information can be found from these authors:

* Kristin Arnt, Die Diakonissen der armenischen Kirche in kanonischer Sicht, Vienna 1990.
* Eva Maria Synek, Heilige Frauen der frühen Christenheit, Würzburg 1994.
* Ute Eisen, Ämtsträgerinnen im frühen Christentum, Göttingen 1996.

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Old 04-03-2005, 04:14 PM   #2
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I saw an interview this morning regarding this same topic. It was brought up due to the fact that there is a huge shortage in priests in many parts of the world. The woman mentioned how only men have been ordained as priests for the past 1000 years and that previous to this period there was no rule to prevent woman from being ordained. Also, they mentioned possible discussions regarding older men who have married and raised families as being ordained.

I am not religious nor Catholic so it don't matter to me. But if someone can provide spiritual guidance and comfort to people who desire it, let em do it regardless of sex.

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Old 04-03-2005, 04:41 PM   #3
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There were female priests in Roman Catholicism until about A.D. 500, when the early Christian "stoics" (not to be confused with ancient Greek "stoics") did away with them completely. Their official excuse is that female priests were an insult to Christianity, comparing them to pagan high priestesses. Needless to say, these early Christian stoics took their cue from the misogynist attitudes of St. Augustine. Later Christian stoics, taking their cue from St. Thomas Aquinas and his contemporaries, later declared women to be the result of Satan interfering with inherently male fetuses. The irony, after all, is that fetuses are actually inherently female, and it takes effort biologically to create a male.

In other words, whenever Roman Catholicism has dodged this issue, saying that there have never been female priests, because the apostles were all male, they've been openly lying. For shame.

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Originally posted by trevster2k

I am not religious nor Catholic so it don't matter to me.
That's fair enough. I'm not Catholic (or overly religious) either, but I think it's a shame in this day and age that this is even a question.


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