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Old 11-10-2001, 11:38 AM   #1
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northern alliance?

it seems the u.s. government has thrown quite a bit of support behind this northern alliance - but who are they?
what are their ideals and how are they going to make things better in afghanistan?

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Well, they're enemies of the Taliban and the only one who are willing to lose lifes in a war against the Taliban.
Also it's an "alliance" with not really more than one thing in common: "We hate the taliban" (Like the western coalition). So, it's not really a stabile force, especially not since their main man general "i-forgot-his-name" was killed last month.
So, the only reason theiy're getting support now is because is because they're against the taliban.
Just as the mujaheddin (including taliban) got support in the 80's because they were against the communists or Pinochet got support in Chile because he was against Allende's socialist party.......

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So, the only reason theiy're getting support now is because is because they're against the taliban.
Just as the mujaheddin (including taliban) got support in the 80's because they were against the communists or Pinochet got support in Chile because he was against Allende's socialist party.......

but that's just the point-just as hussein and bin Laden got support because they were against communists. let's hope there isn't a northern alliance of afghanistan terrorist action in 10 years or so-if we make it that far.

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"The Northern Alliance, though surely welcome allies, are hardly dedicated defenders of democracy and their cruelty in the temporary takeover of Kabul is too well remembered." "Changing faces of terrorism" By Sayeed Hasan Khan and Kurt Jacobsen

I dont know...we wont know until this "war" (sorry, but now it looks like a bad joke, no as a war, for me) is over 'cos for some reason every notice about that Northern Alliance is banned now...who knows...but if Im sure of something is that US seems to never learn (and with this I include ppl too) cos the biggest terrorist agrupations have a Pro-US past...(check Hammas or the US relations with Saddam Hussain before the 90's, specially during 1987-1988)...who knows...
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Patti:

Weren't you suggesting a few weeks ago that the U.S. should be helping the Northern Alliance more than we (U.S.) were?

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but that's just the point-just as hussein and bin Laden got support because they were against communists. let's hope there isn't a northern alliance of afghanistan terrorist action in 10 years or so-if we make it that far.

I'm sure the US is aware of this--they appear to have given some thought to making sure that a slightly friendlier regime replaces the Taliban in Afghanistan.
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Well, they're enemies of the Taliban and the only one who are willing to lose lifes in a war against the Taliban.
Also it's an "alliance" with not really more than one thing in common: "We hate the taliban" (Like the western coalition). So, it's not really a stabile force, especially not since their main man general "i-forgot-his-name" was killed last month.
So, the only reason theiy're getting support now is because is because they're against the taliban.
Just as the mujaheddin (including taliban) got support in the 80's because they were against the communists or Pinochet got support in Chile because he was against Allende's socialist party.......

That's what I think as well Vorsprung. The US government are supporting them because it's to their own advantage. This is one of the ways the US government has built up enemies in the Moslem countries - they'll support someone if it's to their own advantage. Tony Blair is supporting them as well. I hope he knows what he's doing but I doubt it. He recently returned from a tour of some Moslem countries and said there is a great amount of misunderstanding between the Middle East and the West. Well duuuuhh, you don't have to fly thousands of miles to know that. But I think the coalition could have blown a more peaceful way to end it by failing to support Abdul Haq.

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This link shows how complicated it could get.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2001...sharraf_7.html

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Weren't you suggesting a few weeks ago that the U.S. should be helping the Northern Alliance more than we (U.S.) were?

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Yep, but I didnt know about the time Kabul was on their power then...and the atrocities they have done then, either...now I know...

Answer this:
Now the you know, what do you think Bama?
Are the US doing it ok by helping an alliance that can become the future taliban?
The main target is to get Bin Laden, but if in the future the Northern Alliance kills another 7000 US ppl: Are you going to put another monster in the power again that 10 years after kill another 7000 civilians? See why I think you never learn. Please answer.
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Yep, but I didnt know about the time Kabul was on their power then...and the atrocities they have done then, either...now I know...

Answer this:
Now the you know, what do you think Bama?
Are the US doing it ok by helping an alliance that can become the future taliban?
The main target is to get Bin Laden, but if in the future the Northern Alliance kills another 7000 US ppl: Are you going to put another monster in the power again that 10 years after kill another 7000 civilians? See why I think you never learn. Please answer.
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Slightly cynical answer follows:

Well, even if it takes 10 years for the Northern Alliance to become Taliban: The Next Generation, that's still 10 years we don't have to worry about wackos flying planes into skyscrapers, right?

A more thoughtful answer might follow, but right now The Simpsons are on.
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More thoughtful response:

Germany and Japan were successfully rebuilt after World War II, so it wouldn't be impossible for Afghanistan to be rebuilt with a more stable government (not necessarily a Western-type democracy) after the Taliban is eliminated. It'd be difficult, since conflict has been the order of the day in Afghanistan for decades, but not impossible.

Also, the Simpsons stunk today. Way too bizarre.
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Well, even if it takes 10 years for the Northern Alliance to become Taliban: The Next Generation, that's still 10 years we don't have to worry about wackos flying planes into skyscrapers, right?
That's the kind of reasoning that got us into this mess. Extreme shortsightedness let Afganastan become what it is today.

The funny thing is, our "allies" (the people who are doing our dirty work) treated the people of Kabul so badly, they welcomed the Taliban when they came into town.
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That's the kind of reasoning that got us into this mess. Extreme shortsightedness let Afganastan become what it is today.
Specious reasoning, huh? DoctorGonzo, I'd like to buy your rock...

But the Northern Alliance couldn't possibly be worse than the Taliban, could they? Well, maybe they could.

And to complete your line of reasoning (similar to what Patti, kobayashi and vorsprung have said) you'd have to compare Afghanistan today with what you think it would have been had we not intervened when the Soviets invaded. Would the Soviet Union still be alive today, and would they still be parking nuclear missiles in Cuba? Would Afghanistan still have won, and would Osama bin Laden or some other guy still have been able to attack us? Or would both the Soviets and Afghanistan have left us alone?

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The funny thing is, our "allies" (the people who are doing our dirty work) treated the people of Kabul so badly, they welcomed the Taliban when they came into town.
Well, Abdullah Abdullah, a foreign minister for the Northern Alliance, says that "we do not want to see any conflict in Kabul. Kabul should serve as a venue for talks, for negotiations, for peace, the conception of Afghanistan, building institutions. That part is understandable to us." (source: http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapc...nce.index.html)

We'll see what happens. The US would (or should) probably send in troops to Kabul once it falls, or before then.

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Yep, but I didnt know about the time Kabul was on their power then...and the atrocities they have done then, either...now I know...

Answer this:
Now the you know, what do you think Bama?
Are the US doing it ok by helping an alliance that can become the future taliban?
The main target is to get Bin Laden, but if in the future the Northern Alliance kills another 7000 US ppl: Are you going to put another monster in the power again that 10 years after kill another 7000 civilians? See why I think you never learn. Please answer.
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Very well, Patti. I have not been one to throw my support behind the Northern Alliance for anything other than their internal military experience vs. the Taliban. This weekend, President Bush announced that he does not want the Taliban to take Kabul, but instead hopes for a coalition government that is more cross-representative of Afghanistan, including Pashtun elements (majority of Afghans) along with Tajiks & Uzbeks (which make up the Northern Alliance).

As President Bush said, "We share a common view that in order for there to be a country that is stable and peaceful on this good leader's western border, that any power arrangement must be shared with the different tribes within Afghanistan; a key signal of tha
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