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Old 11-22-2001, 12:12 AM   #16
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Then please tell me where they are since you are so certain of this.
So, here it is a hard thing for a UStatian to do: Walk in others shoes. Try harder, please. And think: If you were Ossama, would you keep that beautiful face going round the place where they are looking for you? If i were him, I wouldnt even keep my face. He has all the power to do whatever he wants as change his name, and his face, nationality and tons of things more.So, logically that takes us to think that he will stay in Afganistan for you to find him? He wasnt even there when the bombing started.

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I feel certain we will make progress in protecting the freedom of the Afghan people, something which they have not had for a few years.
Ask the casualties and displaced ppl...I dont know, im safely at home in the world's ass...but remember that, in some way, you are to blame for those years of unsafety...

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But as far as our "words" and "acts," I didn't think you wanted us involved in other countries?
I dont want you to. I want your pres. Bush to be less arrogant in his words...wasnt that clear? Sometimes what bothers are your words, not your acts. And i say it in general, not to the US only.

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I am not able to donate blood.
Neither can I..that sucks...

Who else, c'mon! what are you waiting for to give a hand?

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Old 11-22-2001, 12:23 AM   #17
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So you may have read that part in which some ppl state to have proofs of the US help to Hammas just to spread the Palestinian (Apparently, it all turned wrong, again...) ...I havenít seen any, but i also havenít seen any proof of Ben Ladenís participation on the Sep 11 attacks...so...
I haven't seen the proof yet either, but whenever there is a criminal prosecution of a suspect, I don't go down to the District Attorney's office and demand to see it; I let the proper authorities see it. Nonetheless, The Osama and Al Qaeda have exhibited a pattern and practice in their admitted invlovment in previous attacks on the U.S. and our allies.

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[b]No, most of them are committed by every country in this world every day. There is no perfect country. But your mistake is always the same one. Interference in governments without their agreement or in order to get any economical advantage. (read mainly petrol or something like the witches hunting you did with the communism)
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Here again, you act as though everytime we extend our involvement inany conflict, it is on a strictly uninvited basis. I don't find this to be true.

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Oh címon! So, you pic a government to take their own decitions without consulting? Thatís not freedom. You should be able to tell your government that you dont want them to do this or that. Gather round ppl that thinks alike you and DO THINGS, ask for sings in the streets, send letters, do demonstrations. We stopped a war against Chile in that way years ago. It is not possible that the land of freedom and choices cannot show it goverment they dont want something.
I DO think a government should act on behalf of the wishes and views of its population. But just because 5% of the population is opposed to something doesn't mean the government should STOP doing it. The overwhelming majority of Americans are supporting our current actions. And those that are opposed have the right to go sing in the streets, write letters, make demonstrations, whatever.

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Well, If I say that I think that I should be able to take a book of whatever religion I want in any part of the world, and I think you may disagree, is just Ďcos I dont have a good opinion about you.


Could you explain this a little further?

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I was meaning that it is a young religion. It is easy for young things to commit mistakes. If they are in the government or not is another trouble. But since they are, and they are young they commit mistakes. You misunderstood me. Other religions are in the Gov. of other cities and countries and they are not even a little new. Yes we have the catholic church as official...and it is a BAD thing, believe me. Cos the only thing that rules is that our president canít have any other religion. That sucks, but I take every chance I have to do something against it. ANY kind of protest.
Theocracy sucks. There is no place for it in this day and age, regardless of the age of any religion. At the same time, religious suppression, as is the case in China and North Korea, is equally disturbing.

Wasn't Argentina's former President, Menem, born into a Muslim family, but converted to Catholicism? Did he do this on his own as a matter of faith, or did he do it to secure the Presidency? Just think, in Afghanistan, the penalty for him converting from Islam ("apostacy") would have been death.

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It is a pain, but it always happens and there is nothing you can do about it. Let me give you some examples. We dont have a religion in civil law, but the most of our citizens are Catholics. So, what do we have here? Christmas is a national holiday, just because the 80% of the country is closed. And that is just a stupid thing. Last weekend was the national census. First weekend of Ramadam, the two mosques we have here had to be closed Saturday and Sunday. Sun arises at 4:30 and goes down at 8:30 and you are not allowed to work fewer amounts of hours. For Jewish if you dont work new year day or the forgiveness day you are not paid for that day and any other extra payment like perfect assistance, and you can get to be fired for being absent. See? Im almost sure that in the US things like this happens too, maybe with other not that big religions, but Im sure it happens too. You cant avoid it.
If "it is a pain" and "there is nothing (I) can do about it," then what is the point in being concerned about human rights? I won't abandon my views or my campaign against religious oppression.

Sure, in the U.S., most businesses shut down for Thanksgiving (an ecunemical holiday), Christmas, and Independence Day. But if you WANT to stay open, you can. Many drug stores and restaurants and most gas stations are open on such days. Should the law state that EVERY business must be open on those days?

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Old 11-22-2001, 12:37 AM   #18
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So, here it is a hard thing for a UStatian to do: Walk in others shoes. Try harder, please. And think: If you were Ossama, would you keep that beautiful face going round the place where they are looking for you? If i were him, I wouldnt even keep my face. He has all the power to do whatever he wants as change his name, and his face, nationality and tons of things more.So, logically that takes us to think that he will stay in Afganistan for you to find him? He wasnt even there when the bombing started.
Please quit generalizing about Americans. It really sounds quite racist. And I am no judge of men's appearance, but he does not have a "beautiful face." Again, if you know so much, where is he? And how do you know he wasn't there when the bombing began?

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Ask the casualties and displaced ppl...I dont know, im safely at home in the world's ass...but remember that, in some way, you are to blame for those years of unsafety...
Me personally to blame? That is an "extremist" way of putting it

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Who else, c'mon! what are you waiting for to give a hand?
How do you know others aren't giving a hand? Many people choose to keep this a personal act and do not discuss it or advertise it.

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Old 11-22-2001, 01:10 AM   #19
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