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Old 01-19-2002, 02:00 PM   #16
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Matthew, that was interesting to read what you said about Chomsky, because I had a professor who had met him at a conference several years ago and said he was slightly arrogant, egotistical and conceited (to put it midly), and this coming from a professor who had and still does admire Chomsky to a point, but he basically said the same thing about Chomsky that you just did; what has and always will trouble me about people like Chomsky is that they have this tendency to expose one evil and avoid or ignore another, Chomsky clearly is motivated by his own agenda, it's just that his agenda is not widely embraced or espoused to the mainstream (unlike, in my opinion, the rhetoric of the extreme right)
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You don't know anything more extreme than Chomsky ? Mmmmm. Well, maybe it'll dissapoint you, but I know seriously more extremist than Chomsky and Chomsky is not a radical primitive communist (communism being the extreme of the left, if you don't count the anarcho-socialists-communists). Being a leftie guy (I hate those terms.. right/left), I know really more extreme than Chomsky and let me tell you... Chomsky is so gentle compared to others. And I'm not speaking of Che Guevara or Lenin. I'm speaking of ordinary people. And the fact is that they are "so" extremist, but what they say really stands up.
Well, it is a difficult thing to say that "so-and-so" is the most extreme on Earth; a hard and probably unprovable thing.

But, honestly, I can't think of a single American political commentator that would make Chomsky go "Whoa, that's a little too far."

I know of commentators as extreme (Moore comes to mind immediately), but none MORE extreme.

If you can think of one, I'd be genuinely happy to hear it.

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There are partisans and there are extremists; conservatives have thier reactionaries, liberals have Noam Chomsky.

I be ridiculed (perhaps not unjustly) were I to suggest taking seriously and on face value someone as extreme as, say, Pat Robertson. As far as Robertson swings to the right, I think Chomsky swings at least as far to the left - and perhaps further.

In fact, I know of no one MORE extreme than Chomsky, and I suggest being very careful in accepting anything he says.

Agreed, I believe this states our position (conservative) pretty well, and To our newly engagedly adultered Gonz, Chomsky will have your support in his writings, but Like Bubba said, He's got the shoulderblade of ya.. not your back..

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I be ridiculed (perhaps not unjustly) were I to suggest taking seriously and on face value someone as extreme as, say, Pat Robertson.
Yes, but what kind of education does Pat Robertson have? Chomsky comes off as much more well-spoken, well-written, well-educated, and generally more intelligent and thoughtful than Robertson. Robertson seems like the bigoted hick that he is.


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[B]There are partisans and there are extremists; conservatives have thier reactionaries, liberals have Noam Chomsky.

I be ridiculed (perhaps not unjustly) were I to suggest taking seriously and on face value someone as extreme as, say, Pat Robertson. As far as Robertson swings to the right, I think Chomsky swings at least as far to the left - and perhaps further.
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Achtung Bubba: Doesn't Noam Chomsky criticize both conservatives AND LIBERALS? I've read his work and I can recall just as many attacks on the Clinton Administration. Therefore, I have proven your statement invalid.
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Achtung Bubba: Doesn't Noam Chomsky criticize both conservatives AND LIBERALS? I've read his work and I can recall just as many attacks on the Clinton Administration. Therefore, I have proven your statement invalid.
Well, Chomsky really doesn't make too much of a distinction between American conservatives and liberals.
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Well, Chomsky really doesn't make too much of a distinction between American conservatives and liberals.
Exactly, Speedracer. He doesn't refer to the political parties. He refers to the collective body of politicians, grouping all the accused into one.
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Here's a pretty level-headed critique of Chomsky by some random Canadian guy:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Foru...e/chomsky.html

Especially amusing is the link to the newsgroups discussion this guy (Russil Wvong) has with one John Caruso, a cranky, arrogant and sarcastic disciple of Chomsky.

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I'll grant Chomsky sounds more educated, for a reason that others might not share.

Some would say that Chomsky is more wise because he bases his beliefs on the secular world rather than Christianity. That I disagree with, if for no other reason that I believe that Christianity is right; assuming it is based on the wisdom of God, it trumps earthly philosophy every time.

I think Robertson is a poor intellectual because he's a poor Biblical scholar, particularly compared to the likes of C.S. Lewis.

About the "bigoted hick" comment, yes, Robertson sounds like a "hick" compared to the M.I.T. professor.

But Chomsky sounds just as bigoted as Robertson, particularly looking at how completely he blamed America for 9/11. He blamed the U.S. for different reasons, certainly, but he was still terribly wrong for doing so.


Danospano:

Even assuming Chomsky criticizes mainstream conservatives and liberals, the question remains: what are his criticisms?

If he criticizes conservatives and liberals for essentially not being liberal enough, than my statement is STILL valid.

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You're not seriously defending Pat Robertson, are you? And what *is* Robertson's educational background?

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No, I'm not defending Robertson. I said that Chomsky seems as bad as Robertson. Not defending Robertson; attacking Chomsky.

And, honestly, I don't know Robertson's background.

Thing is, Chomsky's a professor at M.I.T., and Rush Limbaugh didn't finish college. And yet...
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I decided to do some quick research...interestingly enough, I and some others may have to eat a tiny bit of crow. Apparently Mr. Robertson has a law degree, and it's not exactly from Podunk State Law School. We are talking a Yale-educated post-graduate scholar.

However, this does not change my position that he is a fundamentalist, bigoted hick. And though he may not *be* dumb, I still think he *sounds* dumb.

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