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Old 10-16-2001, 04:27 PM   #16
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This is propaganda since Holy John asked all people into the war idea not to post here but in all the war threads there is people posting on it against war or some parts of war, that makes it not a propaganda thread. Asking for people into war in any way not to post here is making this pure propaganda.

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Old 10-16-2001, 05:13 PM   #17
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Old 10-16-2001, 08:47 PM   #18
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I wonder if there will ever come a time when a person's views are attacked, rather than the person themselves. How good it must feel to be so right in a fairly unanswerable debate to be one putting down another for what they think if it's so blatantly against what you believe.
I wouldn't know who is American and who isnt here, but I have a idea, how about non-Americans stop heaping shit on America, and Americans can stop being so lacking in patience with views put forweard by those who are not American.

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Old 10-16-2001, 10:13 PM   #19
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That's ok, continue to live in your little world and ignoring the rest of the world. Don'T ever count on me to help your country in any way. You just showed me more and more about united staters arrogance and narrow minded spirit... there's nothing left to do with you than just watching you fall from your position as the "world's greatest country".

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That's ok, continue to live in your little world and ignoring the rest of the world. Don'T ever count on me to help your country in any way. You just showed me more and more about united staters arrogance and narrow minded spirit... there's nothing left to do with you than just watching you fall from your position as the "world's greatest country".

There you go again - assuming that all the people who choose to post in here make up a large enough cross-section of the American people to give you the gumption to assume that you now know *exactly* the way EVERY single person in America thinks. How can you possible think you could grasp what millions upon millions of very different people think? Are you basing all of this on what your Media is telling you?

And what would Canada do if America refused to help if ever your country had a crisis?

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Just out of curiosity, Holy John, I am wondering what you think the U.S. should have done to deal with what happened on September 11th?
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Just out of curiosity, Holy John, I am wondering what you think the U.S. should have done to deal with what happened on September 11th?
Holy John thinks that we should try...Diplomacy. That maybe we should...arrest Bin Laden. Yeah right. Those will work (sarcasm). Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Holy John's solution to the 9-11-2001 crisis would be to be to do absolutely nothing.

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"nothing left to do with you than just watching you fall from your position as the "world's greatest country".
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Well,
I hope you don't think thats happening now because of the recession were in. They happen every 10 years and are a normal part of economic life. Most of the world does not want the USA to fall. They want to continue to have the ability to sell their goods to the largest market in the world, the American consumer. Just look at the US Trade deficit, the average american consumer keeps the world economy from sinking. Its much easier to sell products to the USA, than for US exporters to get their products sold abroad. Of course the US Dollar influences this a lot. But the US economy is the most open economy in the World. Thats great for the world especially many developing countries in the third world that get an opportunity to sell their products in the largest market in the world.
If this economy goes down, so will the global economy, and no rational person in the world wants that. Most dream of having that American consumer plop their dollars down on their product.
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RONALD REAGAN

Enough said.
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Old 10-17-2001, 06:28 PM   #25
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The worst president we ever had. Enough said. We're still cleaning up his messes.

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Holy John knows that Canadians are culpable all right, but darn it if it isn't more convenient to blame the United States. Over the past 50 years or so Canadians have been in the exquisitely convenient position of basking in the security and economic stimulus their relationship with the U.S. provides without ever having to deal with the real world repercussions of those conveniences. It must be nice. It would be swell if the folks I meet in Vancouver next week acknowledge that the lattes they're slurping were bought in the blood of innocents all over the world and that they are just as culpable as any American. But I doubt that will happen. That would require the sort of introspection I doubt Canadians are willing to indulge in. It's easier to blame some faceless businessman from the United States.

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p.s.- My favorite Canadian moment from the past year: I stopped at a McDonalds in Vancouver to ask for directions and overheard two Tommy Hilfiger clad teens munching on Big Mac meals bitching about American consumerism. Aye Carumba!
Excellent post, MP. What's even better is that the almighty HJ knows you speak the truth and has no reply other than the same old "narrow minded American" rant.


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Old 10-18-2001, 09:40 AM   #27
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uh, Holy John doesn't even like his own country, how can we expect him to like ours? he's pissed that his Separatist pals in Quebec haven't been able to establish their own little perfect government

ask him why he supports the Separatist movement?


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Wanderer:
uh, Holy John doesn't even like his own country, how can we expect him to like ours?

Good point, Wanderer. Does HJ even like U2??



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Old 10-19-2001, 02:36 PM   #29
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Who? Enlighten us, please.
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In an attempt to increase understanding:

Sledgehammer, DrTeeth shares his name with "Dr. Teeth", a character on "The Muppets". I think that's all he was referring to when he said there's only one muppet.

DrTeeth, I don't think Sledgehammer got your joke, and thought you were pointing a finger at one person (perhaps HJ?).

Anyway, I don't think you guys really have any reason to be rolling eyes at each other, so I thought I'd point that out.
Or maybe I'm way off.
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