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Old 06-29-2003, 11:09 AM   #16
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I say the presence at Corona of beach-goers who happen to be hispanic or any other ethnicity is a good thing. South O.C. needs some color splashed onto its whiteness.


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i can give it a much needed splash. *wonders if this beach is near the O.C airport*
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Old 06-29-2003, 12:22 PM   #17
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Not too far...

edit: Well I can't link to mapquest but it's basically a 30 minute drive (though mapquest says 10 mins) down Macarthur Blvd from the airport to the beach.
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Give it fifteen minutes tops - right through my neighborhood.


*ponders Ms. I-Lo gracing our beaches*
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It is a really short drive about 10 minutes. We have pretty good traffic circulation management in our planning.



I know all seven council members and the other six have very publicly called on him to resign. The other council members find these remarks extremely offensive. They are pretty progressive on social issues like this.


There have been dozens of articles in the papers, here is one more.


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Councilman Visits Archie Bunker Dimension to Justify Comments

Steve Lopez



At the risk of being deported, I bought a beach chair Wednesday at a drugstore on Coast Highway in Newport Beach, then went to the home of a councilman who made barbed remarks about all the Mexicans at Corona del Mar State Beach.

Dick Nichols wasn't home. He's in the hospital with a leg infection. But I called on my cell phone to let him know a guy named Lopez was camped out on his front lawn.

I thought it might send him into shock, but Nichols chuckled and said I could stay in his yard if I liked. He chatted for half an hour or so, and from my end, it got more and more like an episode of "The Twilight Zone."

Nichols claimed his comments in the Daily Pilot were taken out of context, which the reporter denied to me in great detail. The story said he opposed expanding grassy areas at the beach because: "With grass we usually get Mexicans coming in there early in the morning and they claim it as theirs and it becomes their personal, private ground all day."

But in defending himself to me, Nichols kept pulling Archie Bunkers.

He repeatedly referred to all Latinos as "Mexicans" or "non-locals." He asked if I was born "in this country or in Mexico." He claimed he had witnessed a car accident staged by a couple of "Mexicans" running an insurance scam. And he lamented the "political correctness" that got U.S. Sen. Trent Lott in hot water for lauding Strom Thurmond's days as a segregationist.

I was worried he might ask me to mow his knee-high grass while I was there, and maybe wash his car.

Nichols had an American flag in the yard and a banner that said, "Let Freedom Ring." Speaking of freedom, I respect everyone's right to speak their mind. If not for the likes of Nichols letting loose now and then, we'd have to constantly remind ourselves why we have civil rights attorneys.

But in a town that has former NBA star Dennis Rodman running around like a goofball, I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with "Mexicans" at the beach.

By coincidence, Nichols made his comments to me on the same day the Census Bureau announced that Latinos had surpassed African Americans to become the largest minority group in the U.S. The total number of Latinos hit 38.8 million last year, and could reach 60 million by the year 2020.

There's no telling what percentage of that population will end up crowding Dick Nichols at Corona del Mar State Beach, because California is way ahead of the national curve. Many moons ago, Latinos became the largest minority in this state, and they account for nearly a third of the population today.

Some people, obviously, don't like it, which is their prerogative. But if you fall into that group, you might want to consider moving to another state.

In my chat with Nichols, I explained that there happen to be Latino countries other than Mexico, and a guy named Lopez might conceivably trace his roots to Spain. Not that Spaniard Americans are any less likely to end up on "his" beach.

The councilman gave me a clue as to where he was coming from. He wanted to know if I thought illegal aliens ought to be able to pour across the border and be automatically guaranteed every right enjoyed by those of us who were born here.

As a matter of fact, no. I've written about the ravages of overpopulation and the need for stricter immigration control, and I've taken some heat for it.

But Latinos don't come to California to freeload. They come here to better their lives. Most of them work harder than I ever have. They make a contribution, and they become citizens too. And when they take a day off and go swimming at a state beach maintained with their tax dollars, they don't need some flat-footed coot asking their business.

Nichols told me to go see for myself all the "Mexicans" and "non-locals" who flock to the beach he's been going to for 30 years. I'm not sure how you can be a "non-local" at a state beach. But I did as he suggested, walked up to the very first Latino family I saw and introduced myself.

Otilia Hurtado was making sandwiches for her husband, Valente, 48, his brother, and their two families. They told me to please help myself at a neat little spread of lunch meats and fixins.

Otilia and Valente used to live in Costa Mesa, but moved to Palm Springs 14 years ago, where he works as banquet captain at the Hilton. Still, they've come to this same beach once or twice a year for two decades.

"It's a family tradition," Valente said. "We've been coming here since my son Cesar there was 2. He's 25 now."

Cesar looked at the headline in the local paper: "Corona del Mar's Dick Nichols says he doesn't want Mexicans using those areas all day."

Cesar seemed to think it was a joke. When he found out otherwise, he said, "That's messed up." Valente Hurtado said they've never had a problem at the beach, but now he wonders if people have been looking at them as if they don't belong.

Only one that we know of.

When lunch was ready, several of the Hurtado children and grandchildren were playing nearby with Boogie boards and beach balls. You've never seen "Mexicans" look more all-American.

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I wouldn't want this representing me. Ugh.
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I stand corrected by the O.C. guys. I usually allow a lot of time to get from the 405 to the beach and then look for parking, but now that I recall, one can fly down Macarthur pretty fast.

I find the Nichols story interesting. I would bet that there are residents down at CDM who feel the same way as him. They live close to the beach and feel like they "own" that stretch of beach. The whole localism thing annoys me.
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I found this article while googling the Nichols story. I think the author says just about all that needs to be said...

La Voz de Aztlan
Los Angeles, Alta California
June 19, 2003

Councilman Richard Nichols
District #6
3300 Newport Boulevard
Newport Beach, California 92663

Dear Councilman Richard Nichols:

I just read the June 18 news article in the "Daily Pilot" which quotes you as saying that you oppose improvements to Corona del Mar State Beach because "Mexicans" dominate the area. The article written by June Casagrande of the Los Angeles Times also quotes you as saying that you oppose adding more grassy areas to the state park because "with grass we usually get Mexicans coming in there early in the morning and they claim it as theirs and it becomes their personal, private grounds all day." Because of your comments, I understand that you are now being called a "racist" and a "bigot". In addition, some of your colleagues are asking you to step down as an elected public official.

Coincidentally, I was at Corona del Mar State Beach for the first time on a Saturday about three weeks ago. I live in the Los Angeles area but frequently visit Newport's Fashion Island as well as Balboa Island. On that Saturday I decided to visit the park after it was pointed out by the captain of a Newport harbor cruise out of the Balboa Pavilion. To tell you the truth, I was very surprised and happy to see so many of my Mexican "compatriots" at the west end of Corona del Mar State Beach. Over the years I have learned that Corona del Mar and Newport Beach are predominantly "White" affluent communities and was very intrigued at the fact that there were so many Mexican families enjoying this part of the secluded and majestic state park along the east jetty of the entrance to Newport Bay.

As I walked through the area where all the "Mexicans" hang out, I felt like I was intruding in their "space" even though I am Mexican myself. The reason was the very crowded conditions and the fact that every available space in that part of the park was already taken. Everyone was "dominating", as you say, the little space they had. Perhaps improving the park by providing more grassy areas where these families can spread out is the solution.

As you are probably aware, there are very few Mexican families in Orange County that own homes in expensive beach cities such as Newport Beach and the only way for these families to enjoy the ocean is to go to public state beaches such as Corona del Mar State Beach. The fact that the park is located in the City of Newport Beach, does not make it the "exclusive property" of the residents of the city. Most of these families live in inland crowded cities such as Santa Ana. In addition, many of these families live in crowded apartments or in single family housing often shared by two or even three families. They look forward to the weekends when they can leave their crowded cities, homes and apartments and head for the beach where they can enjoy a sunny day. The reason why "these Mexicans get up early in the morning to claim a space", as you say, points precisely to the problem you should address. There is not enough grassy areas in the park to meet the demand.

Let me remind you that all the land where Newport Beach is situated was once owned by Mexicans. The Spanish language name "Corona del Mar" means "The Crown of the Sea". This was prior to "Los Ranchos" being confiscated by invading English speaking "Whites" like you. The confiscation of all "Los Ranchos" was done unethically and resulted in "Whites" hoarding the best land along the beaches.

Also, I would like to remind you that yesterday the U.S. Census Bureau declared that Latinos are now the largest minority in the country. Mexicans will soon be the majority here in Alta California. My advise to you and other politicians is "Get used to it!" You will be seeing more and more Mexicans at Corona del Mar State Beach and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it except embrace it and live with it.

I have sent a copy of this letter to all your colleagues on the Newport Beach City Council and others who should know where you stand on "the Mexicans". Personally, I have to say that Newport Beach is a fine city. I and my family enjoy shopping at Fashion Island and dining at the many excellent restaurants there. Also, a trip on the Balboa Ferry is always enjoyable, something I recommend to all our Mexican readers of La Voz de Aztlan.

Respectfully,

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...Let me remind you that all the land where Newport Beach is situated was once owned by Mexicans. The Spanish language name "Corona del Mar" means "The Crown of the Sea". This was prior to "Los Ranchos" being confiscated by invading English speaking "Whites" like you. The confiscation of all "Los Ranchos" was done unethically and resulted in "Whites" hoarding the best land along the beaches.

Also, I would like to remind you that yesterday the U.S. Census Bureau declared that Latinos are now the largest minority in the country. Mexicans will soon be the majority here in Alta California. My advise to you and other politicians is "Get used to it!" You will be seeing more and more Mexicans at Corona del Mar State Beach and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it except embrace it and live with it.

I have sent a copy of this letter to all your colleagues on the Newport Beach City Council and others who should know where you stand on "the Mexicans". Personally, I have to say that Newport Beach is a fine city. I and my family enjoy shopping at Fashion Island and dining at the many excellent restaurants there. Also, a trip on the Balboa Ferry is always enjoyable, something I recommend to all our Mexican readers of La Voz de Aztlan.

Respectfully,

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BRAVO!!!!!!! Hector Carreon AMEN!!!!
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Pubcrawler,

Good article, thanks.

You are right the locals don't like outsiders.

I live on the other side of the bay. On the surfing beach.

All the young people down here call beach visitors, "909ers"

909 is the area code for San Bernadino County, about an hour inland, lower property values, etc.
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I thought that I was somehow going to be implicated with anti-Mexicanism in this thread; glad to see that's not the case.

Does the old fart not realize that elected officials are subject to public scrutiny?

My problem with them planting grass on the beach is the environmental concern; here on the Gulf Coast, the beaches still have dunes, and if you plant grass on the sand, you are destroying those dunes, which are habitat for the Choctawhatchee Beach Mouse and the Perdido Beach Mouse, and they are nesting areas for numerous sea turtles which the area is trying hard to protect. Sea turtles can't dig through grass to lay their eggs.

Locals in Orange County have always been quite friendly to me when I have visited as an "outsider." Perhaps they were unaware I was a "205er." And yes, property values are lower in Alabama.

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My problem with them planting grass on the beach is the environmental concern; here on the Gulf Coast, the beaches still have dunes, and if you plant grass on the sand, you are destroying those dunes, which are habitat for the Choctawhatchee Beach Mouse and the Perdido Beach Mouse, and they are nesting areas for numerous sea turtles which the area is trying hard to protect. Sea turtles can't dig through grass to lay their eggs.

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I don't think people want to put grass on the beach at Corona del Mar. The grassy areas are above the beach. I haven't been to the beach at CDM in two summers, but I don't remember there being room to expand the grassy areas. Perhaps deep and/or nb can correct me if I'm wrong.


deep, do you live south of CDM? I'm trying to figure out what the nearest surfing beach is. The nearest south I've surfed is Salt Creek. Perhaps you live north by the Wedge?
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I don't think people want to put grass on the beach at Corona del Mar. The grassy areas are above the beach. I haven't been to the beach at CDM in two summers, but I don't remember there being room to expand the grassy areas. Perhaps deep and/or nb can correct me if I'm wrong.


deep, do you live south of CDM? I'm trying to figure out what the nearest surfing beach is. The nearest south I've surfed is Salt Creek. Perhaps you live north by the Wedge?
There is grass down below also.


It is by the restrooms and the walkway.

I live on the peninsula, the wedge is located at the end.
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