No matter how you slice it...

[MadelynIris]

All who believe the way this guy does, are enemies of the state.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/23/iraq.main/index.html

Mark

 

[verte76]

These are the Sunni extremists who are losing their power in Iraq. The Sunnis are a minority in Iraq who have alot to lose in popular elections. It is very true that they are not our friends. They had power under Saddam because Saddam was a Sunni Muslim, and they will lose their privileges to the followers of Sistani. Thus they want to screw the Shi'ite majority. They're complete, total scum.

 

[Macfistowannabe]

Apparently his Creator is in love with the Muslims who treat women like absolute st, attack non-believers with bombings and airplanes, executing those who commit minor offenses, throw innocent people in woodchippers, rape other people's wives in front of them, behead Americans, what a true faith it must be.

 

[A_Wanderer]

I believe that when it comes to calling some things as they Winston Churchill had the right idea about these particular religious fanatics a century ago.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science—the science against which it had vainly struggled—the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

I think that that is an apt description of Islamic governance in the world and Islamic fundamentalism in action ~ consider the Taliban for example or the deeds of these violent fanatics.

Futhurmore democracy (to these particular groups which are not simply Wahhabists or Sunnis ~ it is unfair to paint people with such a broad brush because of their school of thought) is meant to be incompatible because any system where the Kuffar and Moslem have equal rights under the law and this in itself negates a pure Islamic society and hence should not exist and must be fought on every turn.

Also verte you should remember that Zarqawi is not an Iraqi Sunni Muslim, he is a Jordanian born terrorist who has chosen to ally with Al Qaeda although he is not actually an AQ operative ~ he had no priveledges to loose and this war is being fought to drag Iraq back to a point where fundamentalists can seize power and then have more power to topple other regimes in the region.

 

[verte76]

I know al-Zarqawi is Jordanian-born, but as an Arab his first loyalty is to his tribe, which is spread throughout Jordan and Iraq. The borders don't mean a hell of alot to this guy. He's a Sunni Muslim, and they don't want Iraq to turn into another Shi'ite state, which it basically will with the triumph of the followers of Sistani. They're not going to lose without bloodshed and such unfortunately. Winston Churchill really did have trouble with people of the Islamic faith. Some of them, the Turks, beat the pants off of him at Gallipoli. He was a classy guy but not perfect, particularly not in the earlier part of his career. He was a product of the Victorian era.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Just as a matter of record Churchill was a man of the empire and that particular quote was from "The River War" about the campaign in Sudan, published at the turn of the century well before Galipoli.

 

[verte76]

That's right, Churchill was a "man of the empire". There's something classy about a statesman who goes home and writes history, as he did. But the Victorians were way too romantic for me. They were the reason the postmodernist view of history came in the first place, it was a remedy for the shortcomings of the Victorian point of view, which thought everything could be summed up in "facts" and was, in fact, shot through with sentiment. That's a contradiction.