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Old 12-17-2007, 11:22 PM   #31
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I'm so glad to hear about this. Hopefully other states will follow.

The DP makes no sense -- certainly not from the Christian perspective.
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there are cases where there is no doubt of guilt.







I agree
there are six people in this picture

all of them believe they have the right to take human life
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And how did God handle the first murderer?
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And how did God handle the first murderer?
God does not have a leg to stand on
in this discussion.

God likes killing.
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The last thing I want is some person claiming their chosen religious beliefs should have any sway over the laws of the land.
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I'm not even sure I understand the Christian pro death penalty argument.

Good for New Jersey.
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I'm not even sure I understand the Christian pro death penalty argument.

There isn't one.
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The death penalty is a barbarity. It is not necessary to 'take the side of the killer' to make that point, although one might note that in a system of supposedly fair trial, the killer ain't the killer until proven so, and somebody must in the meantime take his or her side.

And then there's those messy damn cases where it turns out justice was fallible.

I know what Gandalf the wizard had to say about the death penalty though:

"Many that live deserve death, and many that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not to quick to pass judgement."

Make of it what you will.

But prison isn't a theatre to make us good people feel good. It is, as I see it, a rough mish-mash of 'sending a message' and protecting society from the offender. Depending of course on what their offence was. That's the civics-class version, anyhow. I won't pretend that the system works... so God help us when we take the power of life and death in our hands, yeah?
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i hate that 3 meals a day bullshit.

theres a difference between spending your life outside, doing what you want, going wherever you want, and spending your life in jail, most of the time in a small cell, eating bsic meals, maybe a bit of entertainment, but a whole lot of loneliness, boredom and fear. It ain't a freaking picnic.

And you know what, mabe this is just absolutely FOUL of me to think, but maybe...just maybe, some of those people who killed someone regret it. Maybe there were a shitload of circumstances hat surrounded it, that if whoosh their dead, they ain't ever going to learn.

Now i don't think all murderers are all missunderstood people, not at all, i have extreme feelings towards abusers and child murderers and all of that, and believe they DON'T get a second chance...

but it comes down to one sentence for me.

no one has the right to take someone else life.
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.


Jesse Timmendequas and the other convicted killers in N.J. will enjoy three meals a day and life.

Their victims are dead.

No thumbs up from me,
only saddness


BRILLIANT reply!!
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^ lmao

you are seriously the most hilarious person in FYM ever! I love your posts!
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no one has the right to take someone else life.
You're very right Amy.

John Couey had no right to stuff Jessica Lunsford in a plastic bag and bury her alive....

Scott Peterson had no right to kill his wife and unborn son and throw them into the San Fransisco bay....

Charles Manson and his family had no right to butcher Sharon Tate, her unborn child and four of her friends......

Mark David Chapman had no right to gun down John Lennon in cold blood.....

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Unfortunately, this NJ decision will make it open season for the citizens because the criminals now know that they can committ the worst crimes imaginable and get away with it.

....and YES.....,life in prison IS getting away with it......

Very sad.
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^ lmao

you are seriously the most hilarious person in FYM ever! I love your posts!
Hey.....if I've managed to make you laugh then my work is done!

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You're very right Amy.

John Couey had no right to stuff Jessica Lunsford in a plastic bag and bury her alive....

Scott Peterson had no right to kill his wife and unborn son and throw them into the San Fransisco bay....

Charles Manson and his family had no right to butcher Sharon Tate, her unborn child and four of her friends......

Mark David Chapman had no right to gun down John Lennon in cold blood.....
Of course not, of course they didn't. But how does taking their lives ultimately accomplish anything? It is an empty satisfaction, a cold "comfort". What does it make the rest of us?

It is already open season for criminals, most don't care at all what their punishment is and don't think about it when they commit crimes. Many want to die anyway because their lives and psyches are so messed up, and prison certainly is worse for them because they have to live with that on a daily basis. When you are in that situation I would imagine you tend to dwell on certain things, you are forced to.

Believe me, I hate people who kill children and the basest emotion in me wants them dead, but that is an emotional reaction and we shouldn't base our laws and justice system on that. I hate Scott Peterson and all of his ilk, but I think he is probably rotting in prison in the best possible way.
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You're very right Amy.

John Couey had no right to stuff Jessica Lunsford in a plastic bag and bury her alive....

Scott Peterson had no right to kill his wife and unborn son and throw them into the San Fransisco bay....

Charles Manson and his family had no right to butcher Sharon Tate, her unborn child and four of her friends......

Mark David Chapman had no right to gun down John Lennon in cold blood.....

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Unfortunately, this NJ decision will make it open season for the citizens because the criminals now know that they can committ the worst crimes imaginable and get away with it.

....and YES.....,life in prison IS getting away with it......

Very sad.
but yet, you have the death penalty in a lot of states and you have the highest murder rate in the first world countries in the world. ITs obviously not that big of a deterrent anyway?

I mean Virginia Tech? Doesn't Virginia have the death penalty? Did that dude even care about that? no. So having the death penalty is not a deterrent and abolishing it doesn't mean "open season"

of course those people didn't have the right to take their lives, thats why they get life in prison - its not 'getting away with it' its spending your life behind bars. Getting away with it means actually getting away with it, BIG difference.
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