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Old 12-17-2007, 07:04 PM   #16
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.
Not this crap again.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:06 PM   #17
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.


Jesse Timmendequas and the other convicted killers in N.J. will enjoy three meals a day and life.

Their victims are dead.

No thumbs up from me,
only saddness
It's always amazing how some think we have a perfect system and have no problem dealing out such absolutes. Jesus placed the ear back onto those that wanted him dead, he told us to love our enemies. It's too bad some forget that part.
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It's always amazing how some think we have a perfect system and have no problem dealing out such absolutes. Jesus placed the ear back onto those that wanted him dead, he told us to love our enemies. It's too bad some forget that part.

I did not say we have a perfect system, but I am saying that there are cases where there is no doubt of guilt.

I am alway saying that threads like this and on other boards are always pleading the case of the killers, not the victims.


And Jesus?

Did he love evil?
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I did not say we have a perfect system, but I am saying that there are cases where there is no doubt of guilt.

I am alway saying that threads like this and on other boards are always pleading the case of the killers, not the victims.
There will NEVER be 100% absolute doubt of guilt, yet death is 100% absolute.

It has nothing to do with pleading the case of the killers.

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And Jesus?

Did he love evil?
I think he loved the commandments. Remember 'thou shall not kill'? I don't remember the ammendment 'unless they are criminals'.
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Beyond a reasonable doubt is the grounds for guilt in our system. Thus, the death penalty is not applicable because our system is intentionally not infallible.

It's very simple, really.
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There will NEVER be 100% absolute doubt of guilt, yet death is 100% absolute.

It has nothing to do with pleading the case of the killers.



I think he loved the commandments. Remember 'thou shall not kill'? I don't remember the ammendment 'unless they are criminals'.

The Comandment is:

Thou Shall Not Murder
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Maybe your bible.

But it's beside the point, since you can't ever 100% absolute doubt of guilt.
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I am alway saying that threads like this and on other boards are always pleading the case of the killers, not the victims.
Failing to support state-sponsored executions does not equate with pleading the case for violent criminals.
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Beyond a reasonable doubt is the grounds for guilt in our system. Thus, the death penalty is not applicable because our system is intentionally not infallible.

It's very simple, really.
Iron Horse, do you have any response to this?
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I did not say we have a perfect system, but I am saying that there are cases where there is no doubt of guilt.
My opposition to the death penalty really isn't related to unreasonable doubt (although I recognize it as a factor). I think it's inhumane and immoral and I couldn't myself pull the plug. So how could I in good conscience require somebody else to do it for me?
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.


Jesse Timmendequas and the other convicted killers in N.J. will enjoy three meals a day and life.

Their victims are dead.

No thumbs up from me,
only saddness
I think you're confusing justice with vengeance.
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.


Jesse Timmendequas and the other convicted killers in N.J. will enjoy three meals a day and life.

Their victims are dead.

No thumbs up from me,
only saddness
What exactly is the purpose of the justice system, in your view? Have you ever given this any thought?
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.


Jesse Timmendequas and the other convicted killers in N.J. will enjoy three meals a day and life.

Their victims are dead.

No thumbs up from me,
only saddness


how does making more dead bring back the dead?

have you ever been inside a prison?
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And Jesus?

Did he love evil?


well, he got put to death, so i suppose you should ask him.
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well, he got put to death, so i suppose you should ask him.
Excellent point .

I dunno. I just know I've seen examples/reenactments of the methods used to put people to death on TV, and all it did was convince me further of how messed up an idea the death penalty is.

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