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Old 07-18-2005, 05:14 PM   #1
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Nixon - conservative or liberal?

Richard Nixon...

- Started detente with Red China

- Appointed gays to work for him

- Expressed reservations about unrestrained capitalism in the Reagan era

- Introduced the EPA

- Was in favour of (temporary) welfare for those who fell on hard times

- Ended the Vietnam war

- Was unhappy with Patrick Buchanan's speech to the 1992 Republican Congress

- Met Clinton to give him advice

- Didn't like Bush (sr) much

- Respected JFK

- Thought religion was best kept out of politics



Richard Nixon.....a closet liberal?
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Here go all my liberal credentials.

What he did with Watergate was creepy. There was something so paranoid about him he could not trust anyone, could not trust the American people, the press. But I think he had the potential to be a great President. I think he had a marvelous long range perspective on things. I think this was a man who had a handle on the future, progression. It was the small things he could not handle. I think he is an impossible man to figure. What was the fatal flaw that brought him deservedly down--beyond the paranoia, the insecurity, and apparently the love of intrigue? He was always a puzzle to me.
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According to Nixon himself (not an entirely unbiased source I admit!) Robert Kennedy was the worst for bugging people, etc. It was the culture of the time - that would be Nixon's defense, I guess.

I'm not saying Nixon didn't get what he deserved with Watergate - he probably did - but taking an historical view I would think that the positives of Nixon outweigh the negatives, for me anyway.
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When all the hullabulloo of Watergate was over, and enough time passed and I read more, my opinion of Robert Kennedy (whom I revered) went down and my opinion of Nixon went up.
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Nixon...worse than GWB?
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Nixon...worse than GWB?
How do you mean? I think it's too early to judge GWB's presidency, but GWB seems to have had almost everything handed to him on a plate, one of the reasons I respect Nixon is, he had to work for everything he ever got.
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Re: Nixon - conservative or liberal?

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- Didn't like Bush (sr) much
ummmm.....I would check my research on this statement.
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ummmm.....I would check my research on this statement.
Do you not think I can back up all those points with quotes from Nixon? I certainly can.
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Here's just one quote:-

"It does seem to me that people are looking for real leadership - someone to fill the void that neither Bush, nor Perot, nor Clinton, seems up to filling."

Here is another:-

"His major problem, apart from not showing any ideological backbone, is that he has some real difficulty in communicating with regular people."

(Nixon on Bush Sr)
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According to Nixon himself (not an entirely unbiased source I admit!) Robert Kennedy was the worst for bugging people, etc. It was the culture of the time - that would be Nixon's defense, I guess.
Bobby used the FBI to illegally wiretap against many...

One blaring use by Bobby and JFK was to wiretap the steel industry leaders.....and threaten them if they didn't keep steel prices down.

Another blaring abuse of power by Bobby was to illegally deport Carlos Marcello, Godfather of New Orleans out of the country...dumping him in Guatemala....Mr. Marcello was flown back into the US by non other than David Ferrie, former Civil Air Patrol trainer of non other than Lee Harvey Oswald.

I digress....The Kennedy's were my hero's during my liberal youth. The amusing thing to me is the Kennedy's were probably more conservative than their legacy indicates.....and Nixon was probably more liberal than his legacy indicates....
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Here's just one quote:-

"It does seem to me that people are looking for real leadership - someone to fill the void that neither Bush, nor Perot, nor Clinton, seems up to filling."
That doe not mean he did not like Bush. Bush was someone he had TREMENDOUS respect for when he was President. He may not have felt he was the right man for the job, and I think the lack of a second term proves Nixon correct.

I think he enjoyed being the elder statesman....and loved his country very much. I do not hink he looked at his role as a past president as being a partisan position.
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The amusing thing to me is the Kennedy's were probably more conservative than their legacy indicates.....and Nixon was probably more liberal than his legacy indicates....
I agree.
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Do you not think I can back up all those points with quotes from Nixon? I certainly can.
I understand you are looking at it from a perspective of would Bush Sr. make a good President.

That does not mean he did not have respect or like the man.

You may want to ease up on the testosterone...
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That doe not mean he did not like Bush. Bush was someone he had TREMENDOUS respect for when he was President. He may not have felt he was the right man for the job, and I think the lack of a second term proves Nixon correct
I cannot prove Nixon didn't like Bush sr, but I have read so many negative things that Nixon said about Bush sr that frankly I find it hard to judge whether it was just disagreement on political tactics, or actual personal dislike.
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How do you mean? I think it's too early to judge GWB's presidency, but GWB seems to have had almost everything handed to him on a plate, one of the reasons I respect Nixon is, he had to work for everything he ever got.
I was just thinking that myself. He didn't seem to have that sense of entitlement so many of our leaders have nowadays. He knew he had to do more than just be. He certainly did persevere. I admired him as an advisor after his Presidency.
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