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Old 08-28-2006, 11:39 AM   #61
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Again, no one here thinks that any of that will be the result, so your sarcasm is misdirected.
Not to mention that the sarcasm was rude and uncalled for, Snowlock.
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Old 08-28-2006, 12:15 PM   #62
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Not to mention that the sarcasm was rude and uncalled for, Snowlock.
I don't think it was. This entire thread basically is calling everyone who watches the show and who is interested in this particular season a racist. I found it really offensive and arrogant and I wanted to call them on it.
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Again, no one here thinks that any of that will be the result, so your sarcasm is misdirected.
K, but if that's the case, then why is "everyone" considering it such a bad idea?
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I don't think it was. This entire thread basically is calling everyone who watches the show and who is interested in this particular season a racist. I found it really offensive and arrogant and I wanted to call them on it.


yes, but you see, when you get into the whole, "i think that you're thinking the following ..." you're being absolutely no different.

ah, watching so-called conservatives who try to throw down against liberals for thinking they're smarter than everyone, when *really* the hidden agenda is that the conservative is trying to show that, really, he's secretly smarter than everyone because he's thinks he's smart enough to know when other people think that they're smarter than everyone and because he thinks he knows when other people think that they know that they think they are smarter than everyone, he thinks that calling them on this will make him look like the truly smart one, but, really, he just winds up making the same pratfall he accuses everyone else of. one of my favorite activites.

and i don't give a shit about "Survivor."
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K, but if that's the case, then why is "everyone" considering it such a bad idea?
I've already explained that. It will stir up feelings of race superiority and competition within the cast members. Will society start following suit, and start race riots? No. But it's still not a good thing.
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I don't think it was. This entire thread basically is calling everyone who watches the show and who is interested in this particular season a racist.
Who said that?
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The ironic thing about all this reaction, from quite a few people who apparently don't watch the show, is that this is only going to last for a few episodes before there is a merge. It's going to be over and done with very quickly.

I personally don't care for the arrangement, but if the people involved don't have an issue with it, then I don't either.
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The ironic thing about all this reaction, from quite a few people who apparently don't watch the show, is that this is only going to last for a few episodes before there is a merge. It's going to be over and done with very quickly.
Are you sure about that? When they did women vs. men, I think it lasted longer than a few episodes, didn't it?

I think one episode of race vs. race is one too many, anyway.

By the way, I've watched every season.
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The format is the same as last season, when they split it up into four tribes instead of two. It was older men, older women, younger men, younger women.

Obviously, it makes for small tribes, so it only takes a few episodes before they have to merge the four into two.

When it was just men vs. women, since it was only two tribes, it lasted much longer.
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I personally don't care for the arrangement, but if the people involved don't have an issue with it, then I don't either.
A lot of Italian-Americans spoke out against The Sopranos because it depicted them as gangsters, even though Italian-Americans acted several of the parts. So I don't see that as a valid argument. I think the main issue is that false stereotypes can emerge of entire groups based on the portrayal by a few.
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Well, I guess I'm going to be very much in the minority here.

First of all, I watch Survivor. Furthermore, I'm what you might call a fan of Survivor. I've watched every season since the first and I've enjoyed them all. I've even tried out for the show (gasp!), though obviously I didn't make it on. (And I'd add that most contestants on the show are like me--not looking to get rich on TV, but instead wanting to test themselves to see if they could do it, to see if they could be the "Sole Survivor." The arrogance towards the show, the fans, and the contestants I've come across on this topic is just breathtaking.)

So now that my "secret shame" is out there for all to see. . .

My thoughts on this new season. I'm really surprised that CBS has chosen this route. It's kind of insane really, and filled with all kinds of pitfalls, I predict.

However, I'm not nearly as stirred up with horror as most of the posters are here. Perhaps that has to do with my not looking down my nose at the show to begin with, I don't know.

I should point out here for those that don't already know, that I'm black.

To be honest, my first thought was, finally we'll have more than one or two "token" blacks on the show. And multiple Asians! We're lucky if we get one Asian every three years (In fact, Asians seem to be virutally invisible on TV today and I think that's a real shame). I've always disliked how the show was stacked with mostly white contestants and a few token minorities. I often wished there were more black contestants for example, not just to see people of color "represented" but also because I always felt that the token minority was at a disadvantage--already on the "outside" by virtue of race. I thought having several black contestants would change the dynamic of the show in interesting ways. I always sensed that the producers of Survivor (and of most TV shows-- reality or not) were afraid that too many people of color on a given program would make white viewers feel this was a "black" show, and thus not for them. So, my feelings about Survivor and race have never been exactly positive, even though I am a fan of the show.

I think it's kind of sad that this is what it takes to see more minorities on Survivor, and I too question the wisdom of pitting races against one another. Like most crazy decisions--like the soldier that runs straight into enemy fire--it's either really brave or really stupid. I for one prefer to see the show before making the judgement as to which it is.

I don't know. . .I have a lot of conflicting thoughts on this and I'm afraid to really pursue any of them since I'm not even sure I agree with me yet.

I know that I disagree with the contention that people will "band together for the shallow reason of race." In our country, I'm not sure that reason is so "shallow." There is often a lot more behind race than skin color. People share cultures, worldviews, heritage, and that factors in too. People who are in the minority often feel a sense of solidarity with those who are share that minority status, and there's nothing inherently shallow about that.
So I'm not going to have to see one black guy trying to fit in with a bunch of white folks this season.

I'd also suggest that racism is an uncomfortable subject, but I don't think that means it shouldn't be addressed. I read an undertone of fear in many of the posts on this thread--what if the show plays out our stereotypes and prejudices, what if the white team indeed does dominate? What does that say? What will it mean? Some would say, let's not even think about it, let's not even give an opportunity for that to happen. I say, bring it on. Let's tackle this shit. I don't think there are simple answers here. Let's get into it.

Now, if you despise reality tv then surely you will feel that this is the worst arena in which to deal with "serious issues" such as racism, but then perhaps that is more an issue of how "worthwhile" the arena of discussion is rather than the subject of racism itself.

Indeed. "Let's get into it." This post was briliant.
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I've already explained that. It will stir up feelings of race superiority and competition within the cast members. Will society start following suit, and start race riots? No. But it's still not a good thing.
So then what you are telling me is, were you to go on Survivor and be split according to race, you would think your race is superior? I don't know if its fair that you're taking your own racist thoughts and projecting them onto others.

Unless of course you don't believe you yourself would react in that way.
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So then what you are telling me is, were you to go on Survivor and be split according to race, you would think your race is superior? I don't know if its fair that you're taking your own racist thoughts and projecting them onto others.

Unless of course you don't believe you yourself would react in that way.
No, I do not think my race is superior. That's one reason I would absolutely refuse to do the show. I do believe there are non-racists who will do the show anyway. However, I believe that there are probably people on the show who do have racist feelings and of course, they will not refuse to do the show. It will turn into a race war for some of the contestants; I really think that is a big danger in this situation.
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I think the main issue is that false stereotypes can emerge of entire groups based on the portrayal by a few.
I'd like to think that most people are smart enough to know the difference, especially when talking about a "reality" show.
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The winner of Season 1 was convicted of tax evasion and accused of using the money from his charity for personal use.
So, I would beg to differ on the financial motivation.

I think they(CBS) are already using stereotypes.
One stereotype is having a Hispanic team. Hispanic is not a race.
Another stereotype is for the Asian team, which seems to be people of East Asian descent and not South, West, or North Asian.
I might buy your argument if multiple winners of Survivor as well as other contestants were convicted of the same crimes. Just because one contestant has greed issues doesn't mean all contestants do. That's like saying that because a preacher is caught embezzling money from his church that proves that all preachers are money-hungry frauds.

My arguments are based on the fact that I'm a fan of the show and someone who would have liked to be on the show (Shoot, I'd do the show even if it weren't televised. In fact I'd even prefer it that way). So when I talk about motivation I think I speak from "experience" of a sort. (Unless you'd like to argue that I wasn't nakedly greedy enough and that's why the producers didn't put me through). On the other hand, I suspect your arguments may be based on your derisison for the show and it's fans and contestants. Which is hardly what I'd call firsthand experience.

I've already stated that I don't like what Survivor (or CBS or TV in general) has done in the past regarding race. And I agree with your points about the stereotypical "Asians" and the Hispanic "race." I'm not saying it's the best idea, but when you realize that TV has rarely been real conscientious when it comes to race, you also realize perhaps this idea may be ill-conceived but not as nefarious and horrifiying as you think it is.
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