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Old 02-14-2008, 11:21 PM   #16
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It's about time Muslims stop being offended at such petty things and start speaking out against the fanatical wing(s) of the religion. Really.
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The European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) criticized on Tuesday, May 16, Denmark for allowing a climate of suspicion and hatred towards Muslims and blasted as provocative cartoons lampooning Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him).

"ECRI notes with deep concern that the situation concerning Muslims in Denmark has worsened since its second report," the independent human rights monitoring body said in a new report posted on its website.

"ECRI regrets in this regard that the lack of a strong message that would be sent by consistently prosecuting those who breach Article 266 b) of the Criminal Code has given some politicians free reign to create an atmosphere of suspicion and hatred towards Muslims."

It also cited discrimination against Muslims, together with other minority groups, in employment, education and housing.
http://www.turks.us/article.php?stor...spicion_Hatred

The cartoon should be viewed in the context of the society in which it is published. If the NY Times were to republish some of the ethnic cartoons from the 1930s, there would be an outcry as well.
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"It also cited discrimination against Muslims, together with other minority groups, in employment, education and housing."

That's not exclusive to Denmark, and not be unheard of in the US either.
To imply that Denmark is not a free society, or to try to draw any kind of connection to the 1930's is way over the top in my eyes, and a very narrowed view of the whole situation in Denmark.
I don't agree with the cartoons either, as I see no reason for publishing them the first time other than provocation. And I also see with concern how Denmark reelects the Rasmussen government, and like I said, the Danish society is rather a bit "closed" towards foreigners, but that's no reason to getting carried away here.
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It's about time Muslims stop being offended at such petty things and start speaking out against the fanatical wing(s) of the religion.

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The cartoon should be viewed in the context of the society in which it is published. If the NY Times were to republish some of the ethnic cartoons from the 1930s, there would be an outcry as well.


isn't the objection to these cartoons not about their content but about their existence? isn't that a big difference?
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It's about time Muslims stop being offended at such petty things and start speaking out against the fanatical wing(s) of the religion.
Absolutely.

And you're certainly right that Christians have had their share of mockery over the years. Do I start a riot over that? Fuck no. God is bigger than the snarky views of some dude writing for a newspaper. Why should I care? Why would He care?

Perspective FTW.
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Bush represents the fanatical wing of his religion, so Christians should speak out against him.

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Perspective FTW.
Agreed.
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This is such a NON-ISSUE!!! Really.
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i think this video sums things up pretty nicely.

anyone else see a pretty clear connection?
Exactly, it's like, let's poke the tiger in the eye to see if it snarls. Oh look, it snarled! What a big bad scary tiger! What the heck, let's poke it again.
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ha, i'm glad someone agrees.

i have to admit to feeling quite proud of that one.
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I think you can find the meaning of life somewhere in that video, actually.
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Free speech only exists at the margins, if people were not free to blaspheme then they wouldn't be free. It may be ill-mannered and provocative but that is irelevent to the freedom to publish.

The consistent demands on behalf of the religious for more special protection (and this is not limited to Muslims) at the expense of others free speech rights is what should be resisted, Mohammed Cartoons and Piss Christ are tools to that end, raising awareness of where those freedoms (such as artistic freedom) are at risk. If there is a violent reaction then fault rests solely on the perpetrators, drawing a depiction of an illiterate Arabian merchant is not blasphemous to an infidel.
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