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Old 05-01-2008, 10:32 AM   #61
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It's very hurtful for someone to assume I have an eating disorder. My mom, my mom's sister, my mom's parents, they're all built with small frames like me. It's purely genetic. It doesn't matter what I eat, I never gain a pound, and I know how utterly unhealthy it would be if I lost a single pound.

That being said, I was recently denied health insurance for ONE reason, as they put it; "BUILD".

So, I am otherwise an extremely healthy person. I don't need any medications, I don't smoke, I rarely drink, yet because they saw my height and weight on paper they assumed something and denied me.

I have had too many friends with eating disorders, and it breaks my heart to see what they do to themselves, so when people wonder about me it's very painful and insulting.
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^

My Mom was a gymnast growing up and she pretty much as a similar body as you. She's tiny and very thin. And when all her friends got on in age and started to gain weight, usually around their hips/thighs/stomach, she didn't. She constantly gets comments about how SKINNY she is (the poor thing) and how much WEIGHT she has LOST since they'd seen her last (she hasn't).

She says sometimes she really feels like retorting back with "wow, you've gained a LOT of weight since I've last seen you!" But that's somehow unacceptable.

As for that English girl - she should lose some weight. There, I said it. When you carry that much extra around your stomach, that is the best indicator of other problems. She is only 17 - she by no means needs to be a size 2, but IMO, and nutritionists would tell her the same thing, she could drop 20 lbs and still be gorgeous and curvy, but without the extra weight.

And thanks, Lies, for putting it better than I could. I get tired of people asking why I bother with my regimen too. I feel fantastic, I look fantastic, I'm in perfect health - what's it to you? And for the record, I have an hourglass figure to boot.
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But I don't think it means she's lazy, a terrible role model with a "shocking" lack of self-control (how do they know that?), and not beautiful because some people think she's overweight. I think that's weightism.
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No, I agree. I know plenty of lazy, thin people who are genetically gifted and don't have to do a thing but still look good. I also think she's quite a pretty girl.
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Last year's Miss England-most women would die for?



Slender Georgia Horsley, who has been crowned Miss England, has been told to pile on the pounds if she wants to win the world title.

The size eight florist who tips the scales at nine stone has the figure most women would die for - but the organisers of the Miss World competition are looking for a contestant with more curves to win this year.

Georgia is now on a high fat diet to help her plump up in time for the beauty pageant.


This year's



State of confusion...
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There are 9 supreme court justices. Each hires 3 clerks. This particular one is known for working his 80+ hrs a week.

Nevertheless it's the most prestigious post-law school job you can get and there are literally hundreds of people who would happily cycle 20 miles a day for it. Is there any wonder when some firms will give you a $50K+ bonus just for landing one of these spots?
This sounds like John Paul Stevens. Even in his late 80s, he is a fitness nut, always at the Supreme court basketball and racquetball courts(hopefully not located directly above the chambers ) and the bike in his office. In addition, I remember reading something about how Stevens is the only Justice who has his clerks read every petition to take a case and he only looks at the ones that they think have merit. So I would not be suprised if they worked 80+ hours and he demanded more from them.
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I get tired of people asking why I bother with my regimen too. I feel fantastic, I look fantastic, I'm in perfect health - what's it to you? And for the record, I have an hourglass figure to boot.
Exactly. Not to mention, it's really no one's business but between the individual and the doctor. No one should have to constantly justify to other people why they are the way they are, whether it is skinny, fat, or just right.

What kills me is that when I started my new workout and diet, everyone was ranting about how it was a stupid idea and I didn't need to do it. Now, I've converted some of my friends and family. They see the results, not just the look, but how much better I seem as a whole, and they ask me my secrets. There are no secrets. If you want it, go for it and do it. It is my nature to never do anything half assed. I either do it all or nothing, which means a lot of time I don't do it b/c I'm afraid to fail. I've been wanting to do this for years and finally tried. Success was the only option for me, and quite honestly, it has been easier than I thought it would. I went to a seminar in January and the speaker said it takes 21 days to make a new habit. I just kept telling myself for 21 days I would feel like I was starving and couldn't take another step, but after that it would get easier....and it's true. Now it's almost second nature. I still have to make better choices, but I've trained myself which one to chose. I've also learned to maintain what I've worked for. Part of that is working hard for 5 days and then doing whatever I want for the weekend. That's just one choice I can make. I haven't gained or lost any weight in over a month. Last weekend I ate pizza and drank pop for 3 days straight (Phil's sis' wedding had catered pizza) and I did not care. It's not one piece of pizza that will make or break it, it's just a lifestyle change and I needed a complete overhaul.
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I have to admit, I have a bias on this issue. I do not even consider dating girls who are overweight and I do not think it is a healthy trait in general. Anorexic is very dangerous as well, of course and I dont advocate for that. I am friends with plenty of overweight people, but as far as physical intimacy goes, I have my standards. Fat is just not attractive and never will be. I am most attracted to pretty girls who are shorter than me, have some muscle tone, have nice stomaches, some curves and nice legs are a major turn on. I do not go for porn star DD size boobs so much. The study did not say anything new, but the authors had some dumb things to say. Namely, that the US is a fitness minded society. What????? We are the most obese people of any developed country, far and away. Example/sign of the times: Fenway Park opened in 1912- the seats are very small and close together. I can fit in them with no problem. A good 2/3 of the people I see are spilling over the arms of the chair. Absolutely nauseating, and shows how fat we have become over time. Even if you look at statistics from the 70s and 80s, or look at baseball game crowd shots from that time period- all the guys w/o shirts and girls in tank tops-almost none looked like the majority do now! Hell, even U2 crowd shots. JT tour everyone is skinny, it seems, now, its a mixed bag though a fitter crowd than the baseball games.

Another problem w/ their study- their assertion that studies have shown lifestyle does not play a big factor in whether someone is overweight. They then go on to say that it was an experiment in a controlled lab environment. Shoots down their own argument-no real world application. Well, that does not count worth anything, its called internal vs external validity. That study has no external validity. Lab experiments work testing AIDS drugs and the like, weight, not so much. Genetics play a role, sure, but genes are different across every society and I dont see the stories about Canadians and Europeans struggling with obesity to the point where it puts a major financial strain on their health care systems like it does here. Spare us all, I have pretty skinny genes, my dad is 5'9, 155 lbs, but people w/ the same build as him back when he was in the Army in Vietnam see him today and cant believe he is still the same weight. Difference- my dad goes to the gym all the time, can bench press 235 lbs and he stays active. I am 5'10, 155-160 lbs(depends on how hot it is) go to the gym and for the most part, eat whatever I want. It is a matter of being active- working out, especially strength training, quickens your metabolism and allows you to burn more calories, even at rest. There is some truth to the saying that if you work out, you can eat whatever you want, though it is my experience that this applies more to men than to women.

Weight is a legitmiate concern in choosing who to be physically intimate with and is a legitimate concern in a select few jobs where fitness is an issue(police, fire, military, though some cops and firefighters look to me like they have not had fitness tests since U2 formed!!). However, singling someone out as unqualified for a job based on their weight compared to some other applicants seems to be discriminatory and counterproductive, but that is just reality, not something that should be legally protected. You cant change gender, age, race, sexual orientation, etc. Weight, you do have some control over, most studies show that. Weightism in most cases is impractical and shortsighted, but in my opinion, it should not be a legal issue.

Bottom line: People who dont like it should try and get in shape, there is no magic diet formula, despite what the industry says. Just eat less/more careful, and exercise regularly and be active in general. Take the stairs over the elevator, park away from the entrance, take a walk instead of always looking at those celebrities and wishing you would look like them, etc. Most will see results from this. Get into the habit, sounds intense at first, but your mind and body will thank you once you get in shape, believe me. I have done full body workouts since my freshman yr of high school (december 2001) and have been so much happier and healthier, more confident, you name it, ever since.
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bit. I just kept telling myself for 21 days I would feel like I was starving and couldn't take another step, but after that it would get easier....and it's true. Now it's almost second nature. I still have to make better choices, but I've trained myself which one to chose.
This is so true.

I was on the road the other day and I hadn't had time to grab lunch before I left. A couple of years ago it would have been easy just to get off the highway and pop into a McD's or Wendy's or something and grab a quick bite. Now I had to think about it a bit, but it's absolutely doable.
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I have to admit, I have a bias on this issue. I do not even consider dating girls who are overweight and I do not think it is a healthy trait in general. Anorexic is very dangerous as well, of course and I dont advocate for that. I am friends with plenty of overweight people, but as far as physical intimacy goes, I have my standards. Fat is just not attractive and never will be. I am most attracted to pretty girls who are shorter than me, have some muscle tone, have nice stomaches, some curves and nice legs are a major turn on. I do not go for porn star DD size boobs so much. The study did not say anything new, but the authors had some dumb things to say. Namely, that the US is a fitness minded society. What????? We are the most obese people of any developed country, far and away. Example/sign of the times: Fenway Park opened in 1912- the seats are very small and close together. I can fit in them with no problem. A good 2/3 of the people I see are spilling over the arms of the chair. Absolutely nauseating, and shows how fat we have become over time. Even if you look at statistics from the 70s and 80s, or look at baseball game crowd shots from that time period- all the guys w/o shirts and girls in tank tops-almost none looked like the majority do now! Hell, even U2 crowd shots. JT tour everyone is skinny, it seems, now, its a mixed bag though a fitter crowd than the baseball games.

Another problem w/ their study- their assertion that studies have shown lifestyle does not play a big factor in whether someone is overweight. They then go on to say that it was an experiment in a controlled lab environment. Shoots down their own argument-no real world application. Well, that does not count worth anything, its called internal vs external validity. That study has no external validity. Lab experiments work testing AIDS drugs and the like, weight, not so much. Genetics play a role, sure, but genes are different across every society and I dont see the stories about Canadians and Europeans struggling with obesity to the point where it puts a major financial strain on their health care systems like it does here. Spare us all, I have pretty skinny genes, my dad is 5'9, 155 lbs, but people w/ the same build as him back when he was in the Army in Vietnam see him today and cant believe he is still the same weight. Difference- my dad goes to the gym all the time, can bench press 235 lbs and he stays active. I am 5'10, 155-160 lbs(depends on how hot it is) go to the gym and for the most part, eat whatever I want. It is a matter of being active- working out, especially strength training, quickens your metabolism and allows you to burn more calories, even at rest. There is some truth to the saying that if you work out, you can eat whatever you want, though it is my experience that this applies more to men than to women.

Weight is a legitmiate concern in choosing who to be physically intimate with and is a legitimate concern in a select few jobs where fitness is an issue(police, fire, military, though some cops and firefighters look to me like they have not had fitness tests since U2 formed!!). However, singling someone out as unqualified for a job based on their weight compared to some other applicants seems to be discriminatory and counterproductive, but that is just reality, not something that should be legally protected. You cant change gender, age, race, sexual orientation, etc. Weight, you do have some control over, most studies show that. Weightism in most cases is impractical and shortsighted, but in my opinion, it should not be a legal issue. And it should in no way be compared to the very real racism overcome by the civil rights movement in the 1960s as well as the less widespread(though still existing) racism of today. Race, overall we have made huge progress on. Equal access to opportunity across all income levels is the MAJOR DISCRIMINATORY OBSTACLE BY FAR in our society. Though it does not get attention because it is and has always been de facto, not de jure. Obama said that affirmative action should not apply to his daughters based on race alone- why, the acknowledgement that as priviledged blacks, they have had substantially better opportunities than 2 white girls from Appalachia or a rust belt city. If Yale wants to study an issue, that should be it- how do we expand opportunity to people of all income levels in today's economy? Race and certainly weight are secondary these days. But I digress.

Bottom line: People who dont like it should try and get in shape, there is no magic diet formula, despite what the industry says. Just eat less/more careful, and exercise regularly and be active in general. Take the stairs over the elevator, park away from the entrance, take a walk instead of always looking at those celebrities and wishing you would look like them, etc. Most will see results from this. Get into the habit, sounds intense at first, but your mind and body will thank you once you get in shape, believe me. I have done full body workouts since my freshman yr of high school (december 2001) and have been so much happier and healthier, more confident, you name it, ever since.
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I totally agree.

The problem with her current figure is that for women, having a gut like that is really not healthy and there are countless studies to tell you why.
Sudden (and often dramatic) weight gain at her age (47) is usually related to hormone/thyroid/insulin resistance problems. It's usually temporary but can still take a long time to balance the hormones and get the weight off, which will not come off through dieting and exercise alone. I feel for her. I've seen a lot of women her age gain 15-20 pounds in 6 months.
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^ Not to mention lots of women her age starting birth control, with a similar effect for some. I gained all my "bad" weight after I went on the pill. I don't know how it all works as far as hormones, but besides that, I felt (and often still feel) like I can eat three times as much as I did in HS and still be hungry. My mom had the same thing when she was on the pill. I have switched to a different type of pill with a lower dose of hormones. Still gained weight, but as a slower rate. I don't want to blame the pill and use it as a crutch, but it most definitely contributed to my weight gain and I've seen it be a lot worse with other girls.
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No, I agree. I know plenty of lazy, thin people who are genetically gifted and don't have to do a thing but still look good. I also think she's quite a pretty girl.
Except for the "look good", that would be me.

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I dont see the stories about Canadians and Europeans struggling with obesity to the point where it puts a major financial strain on their health care systems like it does here.
Unfortunately, the trend goes there over here as well.
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I have not had the time to read this entire thread

but, I will say this

people should be courteous and respectful of other people and not ridicule them


that being said






this young woman should not be encouraged to compete in a "typical beauty contest".

she should compete in a "plus" size contest.


Why is she wearing a wrap (skirt) ?
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August 19, 2008
Better to Be Fat and Fit Than Skinny and Unfit
By TARA PARKER-POPE

Often, a visit to the doctor’s office starts with a weigh-in. But is a person’s weight really a reliable indicator of overall health?

Increasingly, medical research is showing that it isn’t. Despite concerns about an obesity epidemic, there is growing evidence that our obsession about weight as a primary measure of health may be misguided.

Last week a report in The Archives of Internal Medicine compared weight and cardiovascular risk factors among a representative sample of more than 5,400 adults. The data suggest that half of overweight people and one-third of obese people are “metabolically healthy.” That means that despite their excess pounds, many overweight and obese adults have healthy levels of “good” cholesterol, blood pressure, blood glucose and other risks for heart disease.

At the same time, about one out of four slim people — those who fall into the “healthy” weight range — actually have at least two cardiovascular risk factors typically associated with obesity, the study showed.

To be sure, being overweight or obese is linked with numerous health problems, and even in the most recent research, obese people were more likely to have two or more cardiovascular risk factors than slim people. But researchers say it is the proportion of overweight and obese people who are metabolically healthy that is so surprising.

“We use ‘overweight’ almost indiscriminately sometimes,” said MaryFran Sowers, a co-author of the study and professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan. “But there is lots of individual variation within that, and we need to be cognizant of that as we think about what our health messages should be.”

The data follow a report last fall from researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Cancer Institute showing that overweight people appear to have longer life expectancies than so-called normal weight adults.

But many people resist the notion that people who are overweight or obese can be healthy. Several prominent health researchers have criticized the findings from the C.D.C. researchers as misleading, noting that mortality statistics don’t reflect the poor quality of life and suffering obesity can cause. And on the Internet, various blog posters, including readers of the Times’s Well blog, have argued that the data are deceptive, masking the fact that far more overweight and obese people are at higher cardiovascular risk than thin people.

Part of the problem may be our skewed perception of what it means to be overweight. Typically, a person is judged to be of normal weight based on body mass index, or B.M.I., which measures weight relative to height. A normal B.M.I. ranges from 18.5 to 25. Once B.M.I. reaches 25, a person is viewed as overweight. Thirty or higher is considered obese.

“People get confused by the words and the mental image they get,” said Katherine Flegal, senior research scientist at the C.D.C.’s National Center for Health Statistics. “People may think, ‘How could it be that a person who is so huge wouldn’t have health problems?’ But people with B.M.I.’s of 25 are pretty unremarkable.”

Several studies from researchers at the Cooper Institute in Dallas have shown that fitness — determined by how a person performs on a treadmill — is a far better indicator of health than body mass index. In several studies, the researchers have shown that people who are fat but can still keep up on treadmill tests have much lower heart risk than people who are slim and unfit.

In December, a study in The Journal of the American Medical Association looked at death rates among 2,600 adults 60 and older over 12 years. Notably, death rates among the overweight, those with a B.M.I. of 25 to 30, were slightly lower than in normal weight adults. Death rates were highest among those with a B.M.I. of 35 or more.

But the most striking finding was that fitness level, regardless of body mass index, was the strongest predictor of mortality risk. Those with the lowest level of fitness, as measured on treadmill tests, were four times as likely to die during the 12-year study than those with the highest level of fitness. Even those who had just a minimal level of fitness had half the risk of dying compared with those who were least fit.

During the test, the treadmill moved at a brisk walking pace as the grade increased each minute. In the study, it didn’t take much to qualify as fit. For men, it meant staying on the treadmill at least 8 minutes; for women, 5.5 minutes. The people who fell below those levels, whether fat or thin, were at highest risk.

The results were adjusted to control for age, smoking and underlying heart problems and still showed that fitness, not weight, was most important in predicting mortality risk.

Stephen Blair, a co-author of the study and a professor at the Arnold School of Public Health at the University of South Carolina, said the lesson he took from the study was that instead of focusing only on weight loss, doctors should be talking to all patients about the value of physical activity, regardless of body size.

“Why is it such a stretch of the imagination,” he said, “to consider that someone overweight or obese might actually be healthy and fit?”
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