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Old 04-04-2008, 05:20 PM   #16
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Is an extremely thin person going to lose a job or not be hired because they are extremely thin? An average job that does not require physical strength.
Hard to prove. Just like it's hard to prove if looks have anything to do with success, but if two people of the same experience are being looked at for a job and one is abundantly more attractive they are more than likely to be hired. That being said, extremely thin men are often found to be unattractive.

Now I'm not saying it's the same as the other extreme, but the bias is there.
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I think subconsiously we as humans tend to think the fatties are guilty of over indulgence, vs the skinny ppl only eating his or her fair share.

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I think subconsiously we as humans tend to think the fatties are guilty of over indulgence, vs the skinny ppl only eating his or her fair share.

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I do agree the reasons for the bias are different.

Subconsiously we associate overweight people with guilt.

Skinny people(especially men) are often looked at as akward, lanky, weaklings...

or models it's a weird double standard.
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I think subconsiously we as humans tend to think the fatties are guilty of over indulgence, vs the skinny ppl only eating his or her fair share.
Well that's part of what the study said

When they put all of those women in "fat suits" on those shows like ET, well you can certainly see the difference in how they are treated by the general public and even in applying for jobs-and the women will suffer more, as the study revealed.

I would say that, in general in most cases, an extremely thin man or woman will always be deemed more desirable in the job (avg not requiring heavy lifting and all that) area than any extremely overweight one will be, probably even not extremely overweight. He will be seen as having more self discipline and other qualities that would allegedly make him a a better employee-it all goes back to the ideas/prejudices we have about overweight people that this study addresses.
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It's like "eureka" we agree on something, and it can't be spun anyother way-our agreeing or the common sense study!

Hallelujah.

Can I get an "Amen" from the posters?


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It's like "eureka" we agree on something
Well then just for that reason alone I change my opinion

The attractiveness issue among people, for dating and all that is one thing and tough enough. For people to have to deal with discrimination in those other areas must make for a horrible double whammy.
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it's interesting ... i'm going to be really sloppy here and say that i remember reading something that men being fit and dressing snappy goes much further in the workplace than a woman doing the same thing. it's expected that a successful woman be fit and stylish, whereas with men, it's seen as an added bonus, that he's *really* got his shit together if he's both competent and stylish.

i don't find very skinny men attractive. but, hey, that's just me.
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One of my closest friends had an interview with a Supreme Court justice for a clerkship. He asked her point blank, "do you keep physically fit?" And she's actually ridiculously fit so of course she said yes and he said "I just notice that very fit people are healthier and I can't afford my clerks to be sick half the winter."

I have no doubt he'd have passed on the overweight candidates.
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One of my closest friends had an interview with a Supreme Court justice for a clerkship. He asked her point blank, "do you keep physically fit?" And she's actually ridiculously fit so of course she said yes and he said "I just notice that very fit people are healthier and I can't afford my clerks to be sick half the winter."

I have no doubt he'd have passed on the overweight candidates.


What does 'fit' mean? I seek merely information.
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I like 'em biggish personally. Not gargantuan or anything. Womanly, voluptous, or whatever are not necessarily unappealing to me. Stick insects might not want to apply, is all I'm sayin'.
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What does 'fit' mean? I seek merely information.
I have no idea, but he apparently had an exercise bike in his chambers....
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I have no idea, but he apparently had an exercise bike in his chambers....
There might be another judge, who was looking for a clerk, who wasn't into exercising, and who might not biased in favour of the stick insect health freak type.

I mean this judge you're talking about just seems blatantly obviously discriminatory. Apart from being a bit of a weirdo.
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I like 'em biggish personally. Not gargantuan or anything. Womanly, voluptous, or whatever are not necessarily unappealing to me. Stick insects might not want to apply, is all I'm sayin'.
Im make more of a bell curve argument with a peak in Nigella Lawson proportion.
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There might be another judge, who was looking for a clerk, who wasn't into exercising, and who might not biased in favour of the stick insect health freak type.

I mean this judge you're talking about just seems blatantly obviously discriminatory. Apart from being a bit of a weirdo.
There are 9 supreme court justices. Each hires 3 clerks. This particular one is known for working his 80+ hrs a week.

Nevertheless it's the most prestigious post-law school job you can get and there are literally hundreds of people who would happily cycle 20 miles a day for it. Is there any wonder when some firms will give you a $50K+ bonus just for landing one of these spots?
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Nigella Lawson's voluptuous curves have given her a legion of male admirers, but a new academic study suggests that her appeal, and that of other curvy women, is based on more than the purely physical.

It is already known that curvaceous women live longer and that men find them more attractive but the new research suggests that they are also cleverer.

The study, to be published this week, shows that men who admire women with hourglass figures do so because they are more intelligent and therefore produce more intelligent children than waif-like women or those of "apple-shaped" proportions.

The case of Lawson appears to bear out the findings. Possessing perhaps Britain's most famous hourglass figure, the cookery presenter is also an Oxford graduate.

Rachel Weisz, the naturally curvy Oscar-winning actress, completed an English degree at Cambridge before she headed for Hollywood.

The scientists, from the University of California at Santa Barbara and the University of Pittsburgh, concluded that women with lower waist-to-hip ratios (WHR) produced children with better intellectual abilities.

They found that a woman's hips and thighs contained omega-3 fatty acids, which help nurture both mother and baby's brains during pregnancy. Fat around the waist, however, contains higher levels of omega-6 fatty acids, which does not help brain growth.

"Shapely hips and thighs hold essential nutrients that nurse brains and could produce smart kids, too," said one researcher, Steven Gaulin, of the University of California at Santa Barbara.

His colleague, William Lassek, from the University of Pittsburgh, said: "Men respond because it's reproductively important."

Scientific studies have consistently demonstrated that men through the ages have found women with hourglass figures more attractive.

A study published this year found that as far back as the ancient Egyptians men have sought out curvaceous women.

However, the reason for the attraction has never been conclusively proven. Many scientists believed that a shapely figure suggested to a man that a woman would be good at bearing children and have a longer life expectancy.

The researchers tested 16,000 women and girls and found that women with a greater difference between their waist and hip measurements scored significantly higher in the tests, as did their children.

The research suggests that children born to teenagers do worse in cognitive tests because their mothers did not have enough of the omega-3 acids stored in their hips.
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