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Old 09-18-2005, 04:50 PM   #31
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yeah it made me sick to my stomach...thankfully i had fallen asleep with my discman on by bed so i put on my headphones...John Mellencamp "American Fool"...starts off with Hurts So Good and Jack and Diane. That saved me.
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yeah it made me sick to my stomach...thankfully i had fallen asleep with my discman on by bed so i put on my headphones...John Mellencamp "American Fool"...starts off with Hurts So Good and Jack and Diane. That saved me.
LOL, good idea . Music's great for moments like that.

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I don't think most teenagers are emotionally equipped to handle sex. They can treat it as casually as they want to have their pleasure and fun, but I think for most girls and boys it is damaging them in some way to be so casual about it. As for a deep meaningful love relationship, I don't think too many of those happen when you're that age.

I think too many teenagers are in denial about the consequences, emotional and physical. After all, some adults are too.
Absolutely.

We live in a society where sex sells. Responsibility doesn't sell. And consequences don't sell. Teenages are a product of our society.

Full separation of the emotional and physical aspects of sex are often claimed, but probably never achieved.
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Absolutely.

We live in a society where sex sells. Responsibility doesn't sell. And consequences don't sell. Teenages are a product of our society.

Full separation of the emotional and physical aspects of sex are often claimed, but probably never achieved.


do you think that, by definition, a teenager is incapable of a relationship emotionally mature enough to include responsible, affirmative sexual intercourse?

(i am not looking for an answer, i have many conflicted feelings about this, and am looking for a parental perspective)
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I don't think sex can be damaging unless you're talking about rape, by the way. I think that THAT power of sex is overrated.
if it was not really wanted (not as in rape - but as in .. oookay i'll do it to kep him her) i think it can be damaging.
On the other hand

I agree that most of the times sex is way overrated
If it is not terribly great and mindblowing (which it, despite the oublic image, is often not) oder forced - sex is seriously overrated.
I mean - once i almost fell asleep


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has anyone ever stopped to realize that oral sex is stilla great way to get deseases??
Herpes is quite populare

scientificly spoke:
sex with a condom is way more harmless then oral sex
unless you use a condom....
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has anyone ever stopped to realize that oral sex is stilla great way to get deseases??
Herpes is quite populare

scientificly spoke:
sex with a condom is way more harmless then oral sex
unless you use a condom....


while this is absolutely true, the two big boogeymen of sex -- AIDS and unwanted pregnancy -- are pretty much impossible to occur if you are having oral sex. there's really no documented case of anyone getting HIV from oral sex, and though some will claim that's how they were infected, one must remember that people often lie about sex and for a gay man it's particularly taboo to have admitted to having unprotected anal sex with anyone other than a monogamous partner.

however, you're right: protected intercourse where nothing goes wrong (i.e., you know how to use a condom) is safer than oral sex and, yes, it will protect against herpes and warts (the reason why they say it won't is because, especially with heterosex, herpes and warts are transmitted skin-to-skin and the condom doesn't cover areas where the warts and herpes might be).

you almost fell asleep having sex once?

you must be doing it with the wrong people.
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do you think that, by definition, a teenager is incapable of a relationship emotionally mature enough to include responsible, affirmative sexual intercourse?

(i am not looking for an answer, i have many conflicted feelings about this, and am looking for a parental perspective)
I do not think you can make an absolute statement here.

I think that the hormones are kicking and damn, I can convince myself that I am ready to deal with the consequences of my behavior...

However, I am not sure I know too many teens who can handle the financial responsibility. If you can't handle the financial consequences of bringing a kid into the world, then a whole bunch of pep talking about being mature enough can go right out the window, because it ain't easy when the financial ramifications get in the way.
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However, I am not sure I know too many teens who can handle the financial responsibility. If you can't handle the financial consequences of bringing a kid into the world, then a whole bunch of pep talking about being mature enough can go right out the window, because it ain't easy when the financial ramifications get in the way.


very interesting. a financial argument.

well, my advice remains: wait until you're at least 18, and then use a condom, a back-up, and withdraw as well!

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If you can't handle the financial consequences of bringing a kid into the world, then a whole bunch of pep talking about being mature enough can go right out the window, because it ain't easy when the financial ramifications get in the way.
In my experience, most people of ANY age tend not to think much about that particular outcome when deciding whether or not to pursue a sexual relationship.

I also was surprised by the financial argument...my doubts would run more along the lines of: Are you ready to be chained full-time to someone helpless, self-centered and needy for the next 18 years?

Perhaps you were thinking about the sons lecture, and I was thinking about the daughters lecture. They are not of the same gravity.
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Interesting. Are you suggesting that the male faces the financial burden, while the female faces the care burden?

All too often, the women gets hit with both.
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Originally posted by nbcrusader All too often, the women gets hit with both.
This seems to be the sad reality, in my experience anyways.
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Are you suggesting that the male faces the financial burden, while the female faces the care burden?
More that those are the respective threats parents tend to emphasize to their children, and not without reason, given socioeconomic realities. But the care burden is, in the end, by far the heavier of the two--especially for a teenager!--because it irreversibly changes your life priorities, your relationships to other adults, and your own sense of who you are and what you can become.

It would be a fairer world if there were a way to enforce the sharing of that burden...
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Interesting. Are you suggesting that the male faces the financial burden, while the female faces the care burden?

All too often, the women gets hit with both.
I was not....are you?
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I just wanna say sorry for my grumpy post. I was in a bad mood. Apologies.
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The new switchfoot album is really great - lyrics that relate below:

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Addictive bittersweet, clap your hands,
with the hopeless nicotines

Everyone's a lost romantic,
Since our love became a kissing show
Everyone's a Cassanova,
Come and pass me the mistletoe

Everyone's been scared to death of dying here alone

She, is easier than love
It's easier than life
It's easier to fake and smile and bribe

It's easier to leave
It's easier to lie
It's harder to face ourselves at night
Feeling alone,
What have we done?
What is the monster we've become?

Were is my soul?

Ah, la, la, la, la,
La la la la la la la

Sex is industry,
The CEO of corporate policy
Skin-deep ministry,
Suburban youth, hail your so-called liberty

Every advertising antic,
our banner waves with a neon glow
War and love become pedantic,
We wage love with a mistletoe

Everyone's been scared to death of dying here alone

She, is easier than love
It's easier than life
It's easier to fake and smile and bribe

It's easier to leave
It's easier to lie
It's harder to face ourselves at night
Feeling alone,
What have we done?
What is the monster we've become?

Were is my soul?

Ah, la, la, la, la,
(Yeah!)
La la la la la la la,

La, la, la, la, oh,
(Yeah!)
La, la, la, la, no!

It's easier than love,
It's easier than love

It's easier than love,
It's easier than love

She, is easier than love,
It's easier than love

Everyone's been scared to death of,
Everyone's been scared to death of,
Everyone's been scared to death of dying here alone,
alone


Sex is easier than love,
It's easier than life,
It's easier to fake and smile and bribe

It's easier to leave,
It's easier to lie,
It's harder to face ourselves at night
Feeling alone,
What have we done?
What is the monster we've become?

Where is my soul? (Where is my?)
Where is my soul?
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