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Old 03-23-2002, 06:38 PM   #1
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new premeir for ontario

well he claims to be a Tory with a social conscious but only time will tell. as a student in the province i have seen the effects of the cutbacks eves made in his harris budgets in the education system, not to mention labour, healthcare and the environment. on the other hand i have seen a lot of my elders benefit(greatly) from the tax cuts.
harris' term was prosperous and tumultous at the same time. many ontarian's were pleased cause their pockets were increasingly line with cash. those in the healthcare, education and public service fields were disappointed because of the lack of security.

many though was generally upset with the state of health care and education however.
[quote][b] from the national post

Former finance minister Ernie Eves next premier of Ontario
COLIN PERKEL
Canadian Press
TORONTO (CP) - Ernie Eves, the man who balanced Ontario's budget twice in a row for the first time in decades, easily won a second-ballot victory on Saturday to become the next premier of Canada's most populous province.

Eves, who cast himself as a fiscal conservative with a large social conscience, edged out his closest and toughest rival, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, after two other candidates threw their support to him.

The cavernous downtown convention centre erupted in raucous cheers as the results were announced, giving Eves 55 per cent support.

Flaherty picked up 38 per cent support.

Minutes before the final results were announced, Flaherty went over to the Eves' camp to shake his rival's hand.

"I said to him that he ran a very good campaign and that we had to make sure that the party was unified," Flaherty said, as his dejected supporters put on a brave face.

"He agreed entirely."

Elizabeth Witmer and Tony Clement were both on the second ballot even though both had already announced their withdrawal after disappointing first-round results.

Both then said they would support Eves.

The marathon race, which Flaherty helped turn into one of the nastiest in Ontario history, began last October when Harris announced he was stepping down for personal reasons.

The moderate Eves, a classic "red Tory," quickly emerged as the favourite.

Eves, who campaigned on his record as the man who eradicated Ontario's $11-billion deficit, said he was "thrilled" when Witmer and Clement offered their support after the first ballot.

Clement, whose right-wing views are more similar to Flaherty's, said he decided to back Eves for the sake of party unity.

"I am going to be fighting for my values and principles within an Ernie Eves government," said Clement, who is health minister.

Witmer, the environment minister, also stressed the need to mend fences after a bitterly fought five-month campaign.

Labour Minister Chris Stockwell, the most dynamic candidate, came in dead last and fell off the first ballot.

"I thought we'd catch fire, we didn't," said a visibly disappointed Stockwell, who refused to say who he planned to support.

"We did our best."

As many as 100,000 Tories were eligible to vote in a one-member, one-vote system for what is arguably the second-most powerful political office in Canada but fewer than half actually did so.

One of the voters was Harris himself.

"I'm having fun," said a relaxed-looking Harris, who conceded it felt a bit strange to be voting for his replacement.

"Yeah, it's different for me (but) it feels good."

Upon returning to politics last fall after an eight-month hiatus in the public sector, Eves drew support from most cabinet and caucus members, immediately becoming the odds-on favourite.

It was under Eves, 55, that Ontario balanced its books twice in a row for the first time in decades, even as Eves slashed taxes of every description - 199 of them by his boast.

He also chopped welfare payments, the bureaucracy, education and social housing, helping fuel the at times violent opposition that marred Harris's tenure.

Amid heavy security at the convention centre, protesters opposed to Conservative policies - social activists and union members - rallied at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre and other polling stations.

Some were bloodied during a clash with police as they gathered at a downtown park and prepared to march to the site of the convention.

Those protesters, sporting goggles and bandannas, banged pots and pans as they expressed their disdain for the Tory government.

Police made several arrests.


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Old 04-01-2002, 05:10 PM   #2
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kobayashi: I wanted to post here because I hate posts that have 0 responses. But I do have a few questions for you:

1. In Canada, do you have a pledge of allegiance?

2. Do you sing your national anthem at school?

3. What's a Tory?

4. How many political parties have you Canadians have?

5. Mmmm, nah I think 4 was fine.

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Oh yea, here's the 5th (it just came to me)

5. DO you eat Smarties?

ok, that's all then.

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kobayashi: I wanted to post here because I hate posts that have 0 responses. But I do have a few questions for you:

1. In Canada, do you have a pledge of allegiance?

2. Do you sing your national anthem at school?

3. What's a Tory?

4. How many political parties have you Canadians have?

5. Mmmm, nah I think 4 was fine.

I can answer these for you
1. not that i know of
2. We are supposed to but usually we just listen to it
3. a political party
4. 5 I think
5. I eat smarties


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kobayashi: I wanted to post here because I hate posts that have 0 responses. But I do have a few questions for you:

1. In Canada, do you have a pledge of allegiance?

2. Do you sing your national anthem at school?

3. What's a Tory?

4. How many political parties have you Canadians have?

5. Mmmm, nah I think 4 was fine.


1. No
2. In Elementary--yes
High School-No. Everyone felt they were 'too cool'
3. A Politica; Party. Short for "Conservatives." Much like Republicans.
4. Main Parties: Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Green Party, and the Bloc (although they don't do much anymore. Neither does NDP for that matter.)
5. Smarties? Always. And I eat the red ones last.
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5. Smarties? Always. And I eat the red ones last.
*jealous*

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Old 04-03-2002, 04:53 AM   #7
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i totally forgot this thread existed.

some good questions, lilly. you should see it when the tory's get hopped up on the smarties, that's when the canucks get crazy

interestingly enough just today harris stepped down from his riding. so he is no longer a part of the legislature or politics at all really after ernie eves' april 15th start date. speculation is that eves will go up to nippissing(harris' former riding) and run there since it is pro-tory(though i don't know why).

i'm interested to see where eves will take ontario. i'm graduating in 1 to 2 years with a degree and i have to decide if i want to stay. he describes himself as a conservative with a keen social conscience and he is a very nice guy, though harris did tip me $5 once

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kobe, and I suppose other Canadians, I have a few more questions about Canada.

1. How does your government work?
2. Do you have 'governors' for your provinces?
3. Have you 'representatives' for your regions within your provinces?
4. How often do you vote?
5. How old must one be to cote in Canada?
6. What are your 'pressing' issues?
7. What are your taxes like ('cos you're Socialist)?
8. What exactly do your taxes pay for?
9. Are your universities/colleges really expensive?
10. Is your public education well funded as a result of the country being Socialist?

Uhhhmmm...I think that may be all for now...I hope you can and will answer these for me, it would be much appreciated.

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Originally posted by Lilly:
1. How does your government work?
2. Do you have 'governors' for your provinces?
3. Have you 'representatives' for your regions within your provinces?
4. How often do you vote?
5. How old must one be to cote in Canada?
6. What are your 'pressing' issues?
7. What are your taxes like ('cos you're Socialist)?
8. What exactly do your taxes pay for?
9. Are your universities/colleges really expensive?
10. Is your public education well funded as a result of the country being Socialist?

Uhhhmmm...I think that may be all for now...I hope you can and will answer these for me, it would be much appreciated.

*i do not know much about canadian governance or any governance for that matter(i know what i need to), if there are any canadian poli sci majors around who could describe the functions in a little more detail, feel free.
The Canadian government works more or less like the British system. I believe the design is called Westminster. Our parliament is in Ottawa, making the city the capital, .

the basic design of the parliamentary system is as follows

ignore the stuff about the queen and governor general. imo they are largely figureheads who do little more than remind those with grey hair of the 'good old times'. they serve no purpose but at the same time they aren't harming anyone to any substantial effect.
anyhoo we elect a new prime minister at least once every 5 years. you vote for the pm by voting for their regional representative of the same party. these 'regional representatives' are called members of parliament. there are 301 positions available for an mp across canada based on geographical placement and population distribution. there are 10 official parties and there is a maximum of 12 official parties(i've never understood why they have a cap on this) but presently only 5 parties are represented in parliament off the top of my head.
whoever is the leader of whichever party wins the most mp positions becomes the prime minister. the prime minister is the ultimate decision maker in the government. one of their primary responsibilities is to select cabinet leaders or ministers. the cabinet ministers are the heads on key areas(ie justice, industry, education, health, etc.) and they are made up of mp's of the same party as the pm. then there is the senate. senators are appointed by the government at the time, i think there are a little more than 100 and they are geographically distributed by the provincial population(so ontario and quebec would have a lot more than anyone else, pei will have by far the least). the senate serves as a kind of level headed, second thought group who investigate most of what comes before them with an unconvinced eye. the senators can sometimes be a pain in the backside in my opinion 'cause they can strike down just about anything that comes there way and they are appointed but anyway.
basically the combined legislature, made up of the house of commons(elected) and the senate(appointed) propose and pass bills which are applied by the judiciary who are all appointed.
the public service is made up of people like me who run around like chickens with our heads cut off doing all the work(i only do that two days a week tho )

that, i think, are all the basics of canadian government.

our provinces have premiers which is what ernie eves has just been elected to do(the article that started this thread).

we vote every 5 years and like america our provincial and federal elections are seperate.

you must be 18 to vote

SOCIALIST!?! omg, i don't know if you could say we are socialist. we are definetely more socially conscious than american's but we are distinctly capitalist pigs like yourselves our taxes are definetely higher, for instance people who are in the 'high' bracket are taxed somewhere close to 50% of taxable income(i know 'cause i hear my father complaining). we also pay a goods and services tax on, well, goods and services. few things are exempt from this and it is currently 7% tho the current government was initially elected on promises that the gst would be repealed they later backed off and admitted their mistake.

our taxes are for the same things that your's are i believe. they get distributed to the various needs of the state, ie health care. health care is rapidly declining in canada however. there is also a very real housing and drug problem in some areas. housing in toronto, vancouver; drugs are becoming troublesome in many smaller communities as people are deciding they have no hope of going anywhere in life.

our universities and colleges are relatively cheap relative to yours. i have numerous american friends who came here for the cheap tuition and the favorable exchange rate. a lot of american students end up at either queens(kingston) or mcgill(montreal) as they are the closest things we have to 'ivy league' schools(assuming they have the right program) my tuition is presently about $4500, two years ago when i started i think it was around $4200, it is steadily rising by about $100 a year for me. i don't feel my tuition is outrageous but that is because i can afford it. i have a few friends who are not going to go as far in life as they could because they couldn't afford tuition and that pisses me off-->not the kind of thing i want to see happen in canada and is one of the things i would like to see changed.

our public education as in sub post secondary(kindergarten, elementary, high school i mean ) is provincially controlled so it varies quite largely from province to province(though all the provinces seem convinced they are the worst off) i know in ontario it is bad, mike harris slashed our educational resources to the bare minimum and it is undeniable that the resources of teachers have been significantly reduced, class sizes increased and conditions worsened.

umm, i think that is about all i have to offer. are you gonna come up here for school lilly? come to mcgill i'm thinking about doing post-grad there or maybe sfu in b.c.

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oh pressing issues, i forgot about those.

healthcare is on the top of everyone's list as it is currently very poor.
housing for the poor is also pretty big. education is always at issue.
students and individuals with kids in post secondary are always concerned about rising tuition.
concerns over playing follow the leader are always present within canadian society regarding the influence and presence of america right next to us.
internally there is much the same fear with the province of ontario dwarfing all others besides quebec.
and quebec itself which holds a potential time bomb within itself. seperatists want the province of quebec to split from canada and form a nation(it seems, they are rather vague on this) believe it or not they have held referendums on this and are constantly trying to stir up support for another. french culture is protected in canadian society and it should be but the seperatists go way to far and i have little time to listen to them. to quote a cheesy t shirt i had in the early eighties-->my canada includes quebec
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SOCIALIST!?! omg, i don't know if you could say we are socialist
When I was in 2nd grade, Cnada was our country to learn about. We had 'huge' projects on it....in fact I believe I still have the flag I made for it somewhere....we had to memorize the anthem too, which I was not happy with "O Canada, my home and native land....*trails off*". Anyhoo, we learned it was Socialist....or maybe I made that up in my mind...no I believe we were taught that.

As far as going up there to learn, I've thought about it. That's twice today I've been told to go to McGill. I do speak French....I had looked at York University in Toronto, but they don't really offer what I'm looking for anymore (heh, like I know what I'm looking for anymore...).

Oh, and that shirt, where can I get one? That would be a GREAT shirt to have!

Thanks for all of your time and effort kobe, I really do appreciate it.

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Oh, and that shirt, where can I get one? That would be a GREAT shirt to have!

Thanks for all of your time and effort kobe, I really do appreciate it.

ohh, the shirt. i have no idea my mom probably donated it to the salvation army long ago. wish i still had it as well.

no problem on the effort. for the most part it was cut and paste of my script from a presentation i did in an elementary school a couple of weeks ago with a friend--i got to teach 4th graders how the country was run(perhaps it is a signal of our education system? )


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