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Old 04-19-2005, 10:35 AM   #76
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If the Church appears to fall apart quickly under Ratzinger, would you maybe believe the prophesy more, Melon? Just curious. It appears that the prophecy was writtten a couple of centuries after the man who supposedly had these revelations had died. I have to admit it would freak me out a little if things started lining up according to his prophecies I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:37 AM   #77
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On what levels? Supportive of abortion? Pro-birth control?
anyone who supports

- secularism
- liberalism
- modernism
- accomodation of atheism
- freedom of choices

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Old 04-19-2005, 10:39 AM   #78
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Well, that's partly "tongue-in-cheek." Catholic apparition circles in the mid-1990s published a series of prophesies surrounding the end of the world, and one of them was that the successor to JPII would be the "evil Pope" that would destroy the Church. Of course, they labelled the next Pope as uber-liberal. How ironic that, instead, he's uber-conservative as I projected after reading those "prophesies" in the mid-1990s.
Indeed. The same people will probably now issue new prophecies announcing that God has now relented and "forgiven" his church for the liberal fallacy of the pre-Vatican II era!
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:40 AM   #79
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well. i must say from my point of view right now its good to be protestant.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:42 AM   #81
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anyone who supports

- secularism
- liberalism
- modernism
- accomodation of atheism
- freedom of choices

and such stuff.
So a secular liberal should become pope in other words... Other than that, specifics were not addressed in your posts.

Maybe the Unitarian church should have a pope.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:43 AM   #82
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well. i must say from my point of view right now its good to be protestant.
It doesn't really concern non- catholics anyway, you get to observe, we get to live it, even if we don't want much to do with it in the first place
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:49 AM   #84
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anyone who supports

- secularism
- liberalism
- modernism
- accomodation of atheism
- freedom of choices

and such stuff.
For a start accomodation for atheism, atheists are not catholic so why should the church accomodate them?

Liberalism is fine and well but truthfully I hate all these terms, conservative liberal et al especially when used in religion, politics has no real place in any religion period, if all religions stick to their teachings, people just like to label them as everythingelse, how about we put all our notions into a bag and label it confusion?

Modernism- I want some things in the catholic church to be updated of course but they have no need to heed the will of non catholics, pure and simple

Freedom of choice, according to Catholicism we have free will bestowed upon us by God, instead of pre-destination that is prominent in some protestant sects

Religion is not about listening it's about teaching, we don't have to listen you know though, I'm loving the way I'm ending my posts right now
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ZeroDude, for the evaluation.
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Hmm, not enarmored with the choice, but I don't think it's going to cause castrophes within the Church or anything like that. The only problem is that he is supposed to be an inteirm Pope, how are you supposed to predict how long someone will live, he could be Pope for 12, 13 years.
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One must admit he is ultra-conservative..

On 23rd of January 1984 there was an article by Ratzinger in the Peruan magazine Oiga. With the accusation that Christianity would be disintegrated by Marxism, he took a stance against liberation theology, namely against Hugo Assmann, Gustavo Gutiérrez, Jon Sobrino and Ignácio Ellacuria. If any reason, this would be the reason for me to leave the Catholic church.

On the other hand that´s many years ago..

I wonder if he would publicly speak out against war, which the last Pope did.
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ZeroDude, for the evaluation.
No problem, I just find that people never really move beyond their own concerns and look beyond what is obvious to themselves personally, this topic is of interest to me as I was raised Catholic in Belfast of all places, so I figured I'd share my thoughts.
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If Ratzinger does any good, I'm certain he will try his best to rid the church of paedophile priests with his "no bullshit tolerated" approach and since I agree with the consensus he will only be considered an interim pontiff that should set up the next pope well for what we might call progress.
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On what levels? Supportive of abortion? Pro-birth control?
Well, one can always hope.
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