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Old 10-30-2006, 11:50 PM   #421
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Kenny Chesney is gay?

So you want to compare gays to blacks under Jim Crow.
Point 1
The despicable laws that forbid marriage across color lines were intended to foster segregation and advance racial subordination and economic inferiority. Yes, as I've said, issues that you raise regarding benefits, taxes and insurance need to be addressed, but do you seriously think my objection to same-sex marriage is to keep you economically oppressed? Must not be working as the homosexual population as a whole has a higher than average standard of living does it not?

Point 2
If this were true, wouldn't black Americans, above all others, be sympathetic to your "fight for equality under the law." Yet this isn't the case. Support for same-sex marriage is LOWER among blacks and other minorities than the national average. Why is this?

Point 3
Race is immaterial to wedlock, but sex--the duality of genders--has always been the basis for marriage and family structure.


the jury is out on Kenney Chesney, but Rene did divorce him for "fraud," though they remain good friends, apparently.

1. so you are in support of civil unions? that's what it seems like, and that's the most important thing, though i still wonder about the resistance to the word "marriage."

and the generally well-to-do nature of white male homosexuals who live in urban centers are not reflective of all homosexuals. think about it. it's usually those who are most economically advantaged who can sometimes literally afford to come out. and since many don't have children, they have as much disposable as any other childless couple.

2. well, Coretta Scott King is on our side, but i'd be typing for hours if i were to explore the entrenched homophobia in african-american culture that is literally killing young black men, but let's just say that all those churches have something to do with it.

3. that doesn't hold water -- 50 years ago they would have said that race is integral to marriage, that what would happen to the poor children of black fathers and white mothers? where would they fit in a segregated society? think about the little mulatto children! basically, you're saying that marriage is about penises and vaginas, the arguments that men and women "fit" together, and thusly we have the natural order of things.

and the world is also flat because that's what i can see.
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But then again, removing any discrimination from marriage and just using the exclusive criteria of LOVE, and you're opening pandoras box. Animal marraiges, brother-sister marriages, brother-brother marraiges, you name it. Where do we stop?


go back and read the beginning of the thread.

this was all very adequately addressed.

the comparisons are hugely insulting, and logically flawed.
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3. that doesn't hold water -- 50 years ago they would have said that race is integral to marriage
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...aw/loving.html

I thought this was interesting.

God was even invoked!

Whatta surprise.
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It may be useless to engage in a dual of wits with an unarmed man.


funniest comment so far.

i just laughed out loud.
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Oscar Wilde?
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It may be useless to engage in a dual of wits with an unarmed man.
And in these 29 pages or so, which point or post of YOURS are you most proud of? Which one did you put the most effort into? Your most "engaging" post.

Go ahead, just paste it.
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And in these 29 pages or so, which point or post of YOURS are you most proud of? Which one did you put the most effort into? Your most "engaging" post.

Go ahead, just paste it.
I wasn't referring to you. Did I hit a nerve?
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Plagarising a quote in which one implies they have superior wit, how incredibly ironic.
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Plagarising a quote in which one implies they have superior wit, how incredibly ironic.
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I have to admit I found that a little ironic, also.
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I wasn't referring to you. Did I hit a nerve?
Yes, what was it? One of these?

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Shut the fuck up about this

You bring this horseshit up every time and it has NOTHING to do with gay marriage. No matter how hard you and your bigoted pals try to align the two.

I'm sick of your shit on this. Really sick of it.

You're using logic and compassion, Irvine. These things won't work with this guy. You've tried it before, and yet he still brings the same thing up.

Eagerly awaiting answers.
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He can have his beliefs all he wants. Just like I can. And if I believe someone's full of shit, I gonna tell him.


Has AEON really answered Irvine yet?

Was the post about hiding behind the Bible all we're gonna get?

You weren't addressing me, I might indeed be on your ignore list, but please explain to me how denying to others what you demand for yourself isn't bigoted?
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Oh. Now that I've asked you a direct question, you're sitting this one out.

Because he pisses me off.
Yep. I can so see how gays amd lesbians who want to commit to each other fit right in with these folks.

Yep. It's so crystal clear.

Oh, and I thought you were "sitting this one out."
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Indeed. Who knew that the folks who spit on the black schoolgirls 50 years ago would be considered bigots today?

I've been married to a man for 17 years. I have no children and married with the intention of never having children. Where to people like us fit in to your definition of marriage?

But why should your moral views prevail over the civil rights of others?

If I believe that Christians should be excluded from voting and other rights because they are different from me, do I have the right to legislate that belief?

Christians seem to think they do have the right to put their beliefs into legislation.

Somebody please answer this question.

I may have wedding gifts to return after 17 years of monogamous, heterosexual marriage.

Damn childlessness.
Especially when so many of these "moral", heterosexual lawmakers have been married more than one time. Great way to "protect" against incursions by the gay folks.

Hasn't this been asked in every thread like this?

And hasn't it been unanswered in every thread like this?
And would someone please update me on the state of my intentionally childless marriage?!
Lots of questions, no answers.

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You're right. It was INDY and 80s who hide behind the kids to make their points.


I'll wait for them to answer my question. I suspect I'll be waiting for some time.

Which is it? Ok? Or won't somebody think of the children?
Don't put it past them.


Didn't that lovely state of Virginia try to specifically ban gay couples from owning property together, while allowing any other sort of non-married patnerships to go ahead?

And aren't these two reasons the only real reasons for denying

any kind of legislative approval?

And, once again, "His reasons" are not enough to deny rights to people. They just aren't.

AEON is completely comfortable ignoring questions


But doesn't Jesus say somewhere that it's ok to go ahead and deny and discriminate in His name?

He must, because so many of His followers are so convinced that it's fine to do so.
Quanity rather than quality seems to be the mission.
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So you're protecting those who won't make decisions you agree with?

And you don't like it when people call you smug?

So gay married people won't know the "healing power of Christ." So how come this is any of your business? Unless you somehow feel it's become your job to protect them from their evil decisions?

And if this isn't smug self-righteousness disguised as Christianity!
Which brings us up to today. Would it be one of those?
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That was a lot of work, for what? Nothing...
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That was a lot of work, for what? Nothing...
Wanna play?
Show me which post you're most proud of. The one in which you connected a series of statements together to establish a proposition rather than just contradicting someone.
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You know - I find it odd that almost all of the name calling and hostility seems to be coming from those that support gay marriage.

Seriously, read through this thread from beginning to end. Amazing.

Anyone have a theory as to why?
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